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Max's avatar

I can’t figure out if I’m surprised at how well he understands campaigning online and across platforms (like hopping onto the stream of someone who writes negatively about you; what other politician would do that?) or if the elderly in Congress have put the bar in hell.

Nameless For Now's avatar

It's very Trumpian, that's for sure.

David's avatar

He’s very slick lol.

tacosgroyper's avatar

he’s a classic populist without a strict ideology, similar to 1930s latin american populists like vargas and velasco ibarra but in a new light

Erin Hagood's avatar

Immigration isn’t an economic issue? Since when? It was an economic issue for the Biden admin who opened the border c 2022 as a deflationary lever.

But in general it seems always to be a mistake to conflate Trump with any of his various bases of support who will follow him for many and even contradicting reasons. Politics 101 — who is leading whom?

The “simple” answer about Groypers is simplistic and a bit of a cop out. It has been possible to be chronically online for twenty years. Nikos is right and there really needs to be a discussion about COVID lockdown and youth unemployment since 2020. As well as the relationship with left antisemitism as a politics of anticapitalism coming to prominence post 2022.

Pootie Tang Capital's avatar

He ruined it for himself at the end. If he actually believes “By’rone” and “goyslop” are funny, then he’s so irredeemably lame that I have zero interest in his thoughts on any other topic.

If he’s merely pretending to think they’re funny in order to appeal to mouth breathers who do, then I have less than zero interest in his thoughts on any other topic.

Nude Africa Forum Moderator's avatar

Come on. By'rone is funny. Our elected officials should be held to a higher standard, where jokes that are naked racial barbs are not acceptable. But it's funny.

Argentus's avatar

Kind of funny. I utterly despise when anyone (including immediate family) calls me by name and I hate calling other people by name. And it's not because I hate my name. I would hate it with any name.

Salesmen who try this kind of familiarity tactic on me usually get like disapproval -10 immediately. I never bother to correct them, but it is an interesting internal experience to watch them earnestly reeling with "normie 101" and seemingly oblivious that my disgust/disdain is the only thing they are feeding.

Even AIs will try it. I have to constantly tell them to stop calling me by name like they know me and they will do it anyway.

J G's avatar

unbelievable

Andrew Johnson's avatar

I wasn’t as convinced of his pro-market bona fides as you were. He sounded a lot less pro-market on housing than Vance, who from what I recall has taken a YIMBY line on that issue in interviews. I think our inferences on the degree of pro-market orientation for those two politicians are flipped.

ChungusFan's avatar

Vance very explicitly aligns himself with “post-liberals” who reject market solutions and hate free trade.

Andrew Johnson's avatar

It’s far more complicated than that. He’s endorsed the Austin model on land use/zoning, claimed to be a libertarian on regulation in at least one interview, and said that permitting reforms are necessary to supercharge the economy. I don’t think anyone can claim to be certain about what Vance actually believes, but the substantive signals I have gotten from him (as opposed to rhetoric) appear more pro-market to me than those from Fishback. To be clear, I am making a comparison between those two figures. They are both pretty statist, as are probably 80 percent (or more) of politicians.

Mark Kroboth's avatar

You’re feeding the beast. I have no clue as to why. Ignore the clown.

DeepLeftAnalysis🔸's avatar

Did not expect Fishback to mention the "desirability crisis" in housing. Probably his strongest selling point.

But a very revealing quote, 1:20:00, "there's not a lot of meaning to what I do."

Matt's avatar

more money for charter schools and public schools, cut property taxes, and fund it with a tourism tax? that was so dumb. that guy is a sociopath he just contradicted himself more than trump does in a week I hope he never gets near public office

Matt's avatar

after his rant about taxing people living out of state richard says that’s what cananda does and the founding fathers said it was bad. and fishback basically just goes yeah I agree with them ??

RedFire's avatar

When is the last time he spoke to Bari Weiss?

Mike Moschos's avatar

Regarding "free trade" between the states, until circa 1980, with bits an pieces hanging around until circa 2000, the usa's internal market was not a modern style so called "free trade" zone, via legal regulatory variability, policy variability, local fiscal dominance, and highly pluralized capital structures with interstate capital flow inhibitors it had what current day macroeconomists refer to as not only interstate protectionism but even inter-locality protectionism!

And regarding Candidate Fishback's plan regarding property taxes, they could really harm local level gov finances, and couples with his plans for new state level revenue streams that could lead to a lot of consolidation of power at the state level. Florida is not only blessed with great tourism, its also got multiple different economic ecosystems within its different sub-geographies, concentration of power at the state level could lead to the development of state power could threaten that, among other risks

Mike Moschos's avatar

Regarding "free trade" between the states, until circa 1980, with bits an pieces hanging around until circa 2000, the usa's internal market was not a modern style so called "free trade" zone, via legal regulatory variability, policy variability, local fiscal dominance, and highly pluralized capital structures with interstate capital flow inhibitors it had what current day macroeconomists refer to as not only interstate protectionism but even inter-locality protectionism!

And regarding Candidate Fishback's plan regarding property taxes, they could really harm local level gov finances, and couples with his plans for new state level revenue streams that could lead to a lot of consolidation of power at the state level. Florida is not only blessed with great tourism, its also got multiple different economic ecosystems within its different sub-geographies, concentration of power at the state level could lead to the development of state power could threaten that, among other risks