This is such dumb nonsense. Every theory it has is pure, unadulterated dreck.
Light skin has historically been prioritized not due to colonialism but not due to any genetic reason either. It's simply because light skin is a sign that you are rich enough to not need to engage in hard manual labor out in the hot Sun. And that is why in the modern West, the association has reversed and so many Westerners are willing to give themselves sunburns and even skin cancer by spending hours lying under the Sun or in a tanning bed to tan themselves. In the modern developed West, a tan is a sign that you can afford costly vacations to exotic sunnier destinations and also a sign that you spent a lot of time outdoors playing sports, which is also a signal of being wealthy. Conversely, Western countries now have service sector-dominated economies and so there are very few outdoors jobs left. So the dark skin-outdoors job association has disappeared.
The economic impact of immigration is highly complex and variable and absolute statements about immigration being beneficial or harmful are both wrong. It depends on the characteristics of the host economy as well as those of the immigrants. For example, In most of Europe, immigration is a net fiscal negative both because the host countries have overly generous welfare systems with overly easy eligibility requirements plus highly inflexible labor markets, and because the immigrants themselves are disproportionately poor refugees with few marketable skills. The former creates strong perverse incentives for immigrants to get onto welfare rather than working even if they try their best. If an economy is undergoing a recession with increasing unemployment, then more immigration would be a massive negative. Similarly, If the economy being spoken of already has an oversupply of jobseekers for a particular skillset then more immigrants coming in with the same skillset will not lead to economic improvement. It will only lead to increased unemployment in that sector. The economy simply doesn't have the capacity to absorb those extra workers. That's what's happening with the American tech sector. Layoffs from COVID-era overhiring, domestic oversupply due to bootcamps and AI have led to a massive oversupply of tech workers.
The sports section is the only one with some semblance of truth, though the testosterone arguments are pure nonsense. I could show a dozen studies showing that South Asians have tremendous athletic potential. But yes, Indian immigrants in the US are overwhelmingly unathletic tech nerds due to the selection process. On top of that, Indian culture simply doesn't prioritize sports (except for cricket) to the same degree to which American culture does, especially at the school and collegiate level (mainly due to the revenue sports phenomenon in the US). Though 2.5th generation and onwards Indians naturally rapidly assimilate to American cultural norms and start focusing on sports, but because most Indian immigrants are still 1st and 2nd generations, this process will take some time.
Also, blacks are still subject to virulent racism on the same sections of the right which are most responsible for anti-Indian racism. Most of the favors granted to blacks come from the left. And the main reason for said favors is not some 'masculine charisma', but simply because blacks are 13% of the population versus 1.6% for Indians (and virtually all of that 13% are full citizens and so can vote unlike Indians, a huge share of whom are on visas and so are ineligible to vote) and on top of that, blacks are geographically concentrated in ways that amplify their voting power in the FPTP American voting system. In other words, blacks are simply a very potent voting bloc and so pandering to them is essential to winning votes, unlike Indians.
As for the disparity between black male:white female and white male:black female relationships in favor of the former, that's due to the UNattractiveness of black women (who are the most obese demographic in the US by far) rather than the attractiveness of black men (who are some of the least popular demographics on dating apps). Also, black men seem very willing to date fat white women who are mostly rejected by white men. The BBC myth is one created by white men with a cuckolding fetish. It has no relation to reality.
There are a few other minor factors of note such as the hostility of Indian nationalists towards Westerners online and the overrepresentation of Indians in tech support scams, but this post is already too long.
There is an evolutionary mechanism favoring whiter skin among females - It's easier to detect dermal abnormalities on a white backdrop. Fair women can thus send an honest signal of their health while darker women can't.
There’s a lot of truth here. The alleged romantic prowess of black men is largely a myth. I’ve commonly seen men of all races, including Indians, with attractive women of all races with the only exception being black men. The women they tend to get are not ones that most men even want.
Also, it would help to distinguish normie conservatives from white nationalists, even if the distinction is blurring. Normie conservatives are more susceptible to the sorts of double standards with regards to blacks vs. Indians that Hanania is referring to here, but white nationalists hate both equally.
ok, jeet. reply with a code and an email and i will send you some pics. i have lived on both coasts and have worked with a ton of indians. i have seen a ton of hot mudsharks and have never seen a single jeet with a hot white chick. why the fuck do you think there is an entire category of porn based on mudsharking and there is no “see a smelly jeet bang a blonde”
the delusion is strong. it would take me a week to send you pics
that proves your thesis is cope and i will have to search for years before i see some hotel owner’s kid with a hot white chick.
Seethe more nigger. We all know that bbc shit is astroturfed by kanging we wuzzery blacks with crippling inferiority complexes. Stop watching blacked and go touch grass.
I don't think that explains the preference for light skin. Rather that white skinned women are seen as a more attractive, so rich men marry them and this leads to the whitening of elites. Look at Gulf royalty as an evidence: https://thearabweekly.com/omani-crown-prince-joins-youthful-gulf-royals much lighter skinned as most Arabs, because of a series of rich dads marrying lighter-skinned women. So imagine that you live there. There is an obvious social pressure in every society that whatever the elites do, or are, is preferable.
The Omani prince you linked isn't exceptionally fair-skinned by the standards of Arab peoples. And your hypothesis fails to account for the fact that the West itself historically preferred fair skin and then the preference reversed and tans became popular from the 1920s onwards.
You failed to mention that Indians speak English with funny accents. (So do the English, but they are familiar and prestigious. Australians and Irish are hardly distinguishable from the English. Other foreigners are at least trying to mimic the American accent. Indians don’t try: they think their accent is already good enough.)
Anglos find Indian English funny only because they already dislike Indians. Otherwise they'd hate the thick French and German English accents too but the former is stereotyped as 'sexy' and the latter as 'precise and scientific' in the Anglosphere. I don't think I need to point out that there's nothing intrinsically sexy or technical about either accent. It is just national stereotypes about the French and Germans that are projected onto their accents.
One thing I've noticed is that while interracial marriages are uncommon across the board, among medium to high SES couples the ratio of white male/black female to black male/white female is closer to even.
indians too hate dark skin, dark skin indians prefer to marry fair skinned indians, so that they have fair skinned off spring, that's why you would see many indian couples have dark skinned male and fair skinned female
Look at the people being racist and not who they're being racist towards, and you'll have your answer. It's that Indians are in tech.
Since Usenet, Internet users have always been disproportionately a) tech-y whether or not they have jobs and b) weird, bitter nerds. Tech hiring dropped like a rock in q1 2022, so there are a bunch of unemployed CS grads and laid-off SWEs who know Indians but not as friends (they have no friends) and spend all day online. Voila, new racism.
Same resentment comes out when certain ethnic groups outperform techy nerds romantically as well. Tribal mate guarding appears to be universal across cultures so I doubt we'll ever escape it but we certainly shouldn't embrace our monkey brain.
Find an Indian CIO or CTO who’s been with a company for more than two years and you’ll discover that almost every single manager below them is also Indian.
No promotions or hiring of whites, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, etc.
Literally Google disproves this. Look at the org directly under Sundar Pinchai, and then the org charts under any of his 3 or 4 Indian subordinates (out of 20 total). Plenty of non-Indian faces!
Gosh, any chance that Google might have different talent and salary standards for their technology team than some conduit manufacturing company in Wisconsin.
But Google is one of the leaders in H1B applications. They’re likely farming out maintenance projects to those guys.
I do bizdev for a software engineering firm. I’ve researched several hundred companies to pitch to at this point, and there is a clear and unmistakable pattern of Indian CIO/CTOs having almost nothing but Indians reporting to them.
The product team at my medium-sized regional U.S. software vendor, on which I (white) am an engineer, is almost even parts white, Indian, Latino and east asian. Our manager, the guy who hired me, was Indian until he got laid off in 2022.
Yeah, I keep noticing that Richard loves talking about how allegedly conformist and introverted East Asians are. I think there’s something psychosexual going on here, as because he has an East Asian wife, it’s like a fetish thing for him to talk about the supposed submissiveness of East Asians.
East Asian-Americans definitely are compared to other American ethnicities. Though I believe that is largely the result of a selection effect where the nerdiest and most socially inept East Asian tech workers and students come over to the US. But Confucianism and its focus on passivity, submissiveness and blind obedience to authority is also a terribly wrong philosophy to live by in an extraverted culture like the US.
The Indian diet does their men no favors. Refusing to eat beef is horrible for your testosterone levels (being vegetarian is even worse). Lower testosterone levels lead to more brown-nosery as found in a recent research paper.
Another factor I am surprised you failed to mention is the Indian call center scams. The first interaction many Americans outside of the tech sector have had with Indians is the fake "Microsoft tech support" guy calling them on the phone. First impressions matter. When the first interaction you have with an Indian person is them trying to scam you or your grandma it colors your perception of the whole group.
If the Indian government wants to improve the international perception of Indians it should do 4 simple things:
1. Imprison every single call center scammer in Kolkata
2. Mandate and actually enforce a total ban on street defecation and cow poop baths. The "street shitter" meme is unfortunately rooted in reality. Disgust is the most powerful emotion and nothing disgusts normies more than poop.
3. Inform Indians that consuming a lot of curry changes your body odor. A lot of the negative perception of Indians revolves around personal hygiene and smell.
4. Encourage Indian students to balance studying with sports or going to the gym. This will help cast off the "dweebish nerd" stereotype.
1. 100%. What westerners probably don't realise is that Indians themselves are the biggest victims of call centre scams. We have goverment mandated ads and announcements on television constantly warning people to be aware of such scams already.
2. Street defecation is a result of poor plumbing and sanitation in the most poor areas. Its not a preference lol. The cow thing is some very niche ritual also practiced only in rural areas. Unfortunately, rural India is a completely different beast and the world wasn't ready for them to receive high speed internet. Maybe that was a mistake.
3. Easier said than done. Dietary habits are hard to change. But as societies and people get richer, interest in beauty products and cosmetics increases. Fragrant body soaps are very popular but probably not enough. Instead sell deodorants more.
4. Weight training has gained immense popularity amongst Gen Z. Most of my male friends and even some female friends are extremely into gym culture. We are on the right track here.
Gym culture is itself a product of economic growth. As India grows economically, gyms will become more common and patronizing them will become the norm for the Indian Middle class in the same way it is for western Middle classes. The same thing occurred in China. Today's Chinese youngsters are bigger and stronger than most Americans. But on top of that, the psychotic obsession with entrance test scores in Indian culture also needs to be rectified. Of course, that is a product of the way Indian colleges admit students. There is no holistic admissions policy unlike that of the US so entrance test scores are the only thing that matters. That creates a perverse incentive to not focus on sports and extracurriculars. The solution is for Indian colleges to introduce a mandatory athletic ability test for admission.
There is plenty of protein in pulses and peas. Lacto-Vegetarianism by itself is no problem so long as a balanced diet is consumed. Of course, the Indian diet being very oily is a major problem, but then the very unhealthy black American Southern soul food diet is even worse. Black Americans have very high obesity rates in the US. NBA and NFL players are very, very far from the typical black guy in health and athletic ability. Your point about the dweebish nerd stereotype is absolutely correct. It is partly a problem of Indian culture's overemphasis on academics and disdain for sports as a 'time-wasting' activity but also a problem of the immigration process selecting for tech nerds rather than athletes.
The U.S. has been admitting the nerdiest of the nerdiest of the Indian subcontinent. It is miracle that you can find any second generation Indian kids involved in sports.
"2. Mandate and actually enforce a total ban on street defecation and cow poop baths. The "street shitter" meme is unfortunately rooted in reality. Disgust is the most powerful emotion and nothing disgusts normies more than poop."
What does that have to do with perceptions of Indian Americans in the US? Most of these people haven't even visited India. Those who have, are much more likely to be liberal.
A lot of Americans see videos on TikTok or Instagram of street defecation in India and it grosses them out and disgusts them. This clouds Indians as a group with a perception of savagery and a lack of basic hygiene. The perception is mostly wrong for upper caste and urban Indian immigrants (and definitely wrong for the US-born second generation), but the average uninformed American can't tell the difference between castes or whether someone is from rural or urban India or born in the US.
This is frankly a problem for the morons watching not Indians to solve. They frequently watch 20 year old videos/pictures or those from another country and believe those too. Misinformation & prejudice can't be solved that way, it's not our problem that they are gullible little racists.
Only some subcastes of Brahmins are Vegetarian. Otherwise meat, primarly chicken, fish and mutton, are pretty common dishes in Indian cuisine. It's just that you're not allowed to eat meat on some days considered more auspicious like on Tuesdays and Fridays, and is not allowed on some festive ocassions. Even beef, oxen and Buffalo, is eaten in parts of the country is Kerala or Bengal. Hell, some parts in the south still practice animal sacrifice.
The simple reality is, sports and physical exercise is frowned upon in India in favour of an extreme obsession with academics. Not to mention the extremely shame based culture that squashes individuality. Besides, the majority of Indians you get in the US are the nerdy techie types from upper middle class families.
Just because Americans care more about basketball & football & baseball, that doesn't mean that Indians "aren't good at sports."
There is a great irony in the fact that America was founded as an Anglo country, with significant French influence, and yet Americans at large seem not to give a flying fuck about cricket nor tennis. Maybe it's because of excessive post-WWII Evangelical cultural influence in public life.
Hopefully, that specific type of sports culture changes significantly in the coming decades – there are already many American billionaires investing in an American version of T20/IPL/BBL. Perhaps those will replace (or at least achieve parity with) the NFL/NBA/MLB as mainstays in the American psyche.
Agree on the beef thing, though. I'm not sure why modern Hinduism is so neurotic in this regard. I'm quite convinced that most ancient yogis ate beef, even in South India, and there is some evidence in Sanskrit scripture to support this.
They are neurotic about beef because its a culture war issue with the Muslims. Thats about it. Beef (or Buff as its more commonly called) is sold is many parts outside of the Hindi belt + big cities.
I don’t agree with everything you say, but it does seem like the fact English is much more commonly spoken in India than China is almost a disadvantage for India. Since, in the west, we have much more visibility into India’s moron, assholes, crazies, and hicks
India ranks fairly high among countries in terms of income inequality. While public defecation is still a big problem in the country, none of the Indians migrating to the West to work for tech companies have ever shat in the street. On the contrary, they most likely grew up in enormous mansions with a full team of maids, cooks and footmen to assist them with their every whim.
Yes, there have been several medical studies that show a positive relationship between beef consumption and testosterone. This is because beef is rich in zinc, vitamin D, and creatine.
First off, the diet thing— Not quite! Actually, around 70-80% of Indians eat meat like chicken, mutton, fish, or eggs, depending on where they’re from or their community. And about testosterone? Studies are all over the place—some say vegetarians might have slightly lower levels, but it’s not a big deal. Plus, look at Indian wrestlers! Guys like Sushil Kumar and Bajrang Punia, who’ve won Olympic medals, are strict vegetarians, Even Vinesh Phogat, one of our top female wrestlers, thrives on veggie diet. So, the beef fix? Not reallu needed.
1. Now, about those Kolkata call center scams—yeah, it’s annoying that some scammers have targeted people abroad, pretending to be tech support. The central government can’t just shut them down because law and order is handled by states. Kolkata’s in West Bengal, run by a party that is hostile to Modi’s BJP.
2. “street shitter” meme is so outdated its ridiculous to keep trotting it out. It was more of a rural thing years ago due to lack of toilets, not cities. India has built over 110 million toilets last decade, dropping open defecation from over 70% to just 11% now. We’re pretty much open defecation-free in most of districts, though some remote spots still need work. And cow poop baths..Are you serious?
3. About curry and body odor - a classic myth! Indians take baths daily
4. Sports is quite big in India. Of course, its cricket, not football. Gyms have mushroomed all over India. Not a single lane without a gym. Its just that the guys who reach US tend to be techies and not very athletic.
About the diet thing: the tiny amount of meat consumed is insufficient. More bio available high quality protein and fat from red meat is needed. This explains most issues.
It’s not that Indians aren’t good at sports. They are very coordinated. It’s that they are very weak due to poor diet and low protein intake. Watch how Indian perform in UFC matches. Never seen any race of men get KOed from one punch so fast. Made of cotton.
Our ancestors failed us with poor decision making leading to dog shit genetics.
Small call out on the diet thing, even though most Indians are meat eaters, meat is not part of the regular diet for most and is viewed as a treat to be had on weekends etc
True but chinese eat meat daily yet they don't have physique matching either caucasians or blacks. Compared to Indians, they are maybe 2-4 cm tall and 2 kg heavier but that may be due to the fact chinese poor are 2-3x richer than Indian poor and hence their calorie count is higher.
As far testosterone in concerned, penis size of Indian men is biggest in entire Asia outranking even sturdy Afghan pathans. If quantity of meat eating determined testosterone levels, Japanese & south koreans would have been on top not Indians
Not testosterone levels, but it does correlate with muscle mass. Of course its not like Chinese/East Asians are extremely genetically gifted when it comes to muscles. But your average Indian is a decent bit smaller than your average white guy.
Indian averages are marred by the sub alterns who are poor and undernourished. Again, as they climb the economic ladder and eat more nutritious food, they will become taller and bigger. I already see it happening in metro cities where even the young garbage men look bigger than older generation middle class men. On a recent foreign visit to europe, I observed many short whites..especially women. Honestly, the difference between them and Indians (obviously upper middle class tourists) wasn't much.
11% is still a ton of open defecation (and from what I have read this is a significant under count for political reasons). India has made some progress here, but the work is not done.
On the contrary, 11% is actually UN/WHO figure. Indian govt's numbers are far lower..just 0.4%.
Also, for comparison look at OD rates of African countries with rates ranging from 16% to 67%.
But no one talks about Africans being street-shitters because saying anything negative about blacks is racism. Also, no one in west acknowledges the tremendous progress done in last 10 years by a nationalist govt to build 110 million toilets because nationalism is a bad word in western commentariat. (Fyi, it was socialist congress govt that ruled India for most of the period since independence till 2014. They are the main culprits who are responsible for keeping India backward)
There are a lot of people in the comment section saying that India is good at cricket. I want to add a counterpoint:
No it’s not.
India has two cricket World Cup wins. Australia has six.
India has 1.4 billion people. Australia has 27 million
In India, cricket is by far the most popular sport. In Australia, cricket is behind Aussie Rules Football, Rugby League and maybe equivalent to Rugby Union and Association Football (soccer)
Does this account for Canada and Jatts? It's seems to me the recent surge of anti Indian online hate started there and spread the rest of the English online communities. The stereotype of Jatts isn't really the quiet, nerdy type.
Personally I think it's just loser whites who want a scapegoat rather than taking personal responsibility for how they own goaled their lives repeatedly. Indian Americans are pretty successful so it breeds jealousy.
It started in Canada after a massive wave of recent immigrants and associated scam colleges and other problems.
Fundamentally, it's a product of selection. People are fine with Indians but they don't want to live in India. Few Indians, elite Indians and you get less of this.
Let in large numbers of people from a low trust society and people will react badly. It's especially bad because India is a united polity despite the diversity so things like college scams (the lack of a country cap on immigration led to chain scamming) or people stealing "free" food from charities aimed at the poor when they work for TD (yes, that happened) tar everyone.
The H1B visa hate is specific to America precisely because Indians are well-selected. For the rest of the world the post-COVID migration wave simple saddled them with lower human capital migrants with a corresponding decrease in sympathy.
The H1B visa hate is because the Indian consultant companies have been abusing the system, in fact, making it harder for legitimately exceptional Indian people to get through the lottery.
I hope your people, the Lebanese Phalangist gusanos get a lot of hate directed at you for being bloodthirsty bootlickers. If anyone is from a low-trust society and who is racist and bigoted it’s you people. Other Lebanese people hate you.
I agree with your general point that people who hate on Indians are huge losers. But also, who actually does this?? I don't think it's "the right". I think it's one very, very specific group of people: young tech nerd men on the right.
That's actually a very small group of people. Like what, less than 5% of the population, surely? It's just that they're the loudest and most odious people on the internet and comprise a majority of X users who actually post stuff.
I'd be more inclined to listen to literally anything they ever had to say if they EVER displayed a single shred of goodwill towards any other human on earth, or ever said a damn thing that wasn't just spewing constant nastiness, bitterness, and hostility. Do these people EVER have anything nice to say about anyone or anything?? No, they dont. They somehow universally hate themselves (though still have big egos) and everyone else, and their opinions hating one particular group more than another just tells me they're paricularly envious and resentful towards them. Honestly these kinds of guys are truly the biggest losers in the world. These are people born into the most prosperous society on earth, with the intelligence and brains to make something of themselves, and yet they manage to just sit online spewing hostility all day long.
Like it's at the point that it's an actual credit to whoever they hate. They hate sexy chicks. They hate Jewish people. If they hate Indians, presumably they're pretty cool too. I don't live somewhere with a ton of Indians, but the few I've worked with were all extremely smart, very successful, good looking, fit, and all around cool people...all doctors, lawyers, and CEOs.
We actually do fight back quite a bit and are learning to fight better, which is causing even more status anxiety for many Westerners (specifically downwardly mobile white men).
1 - Unaesthetic facial structure. There are specific physical features of the face (bone structure, facial proportions) that are seen as physically attractive, regardless of the color of one's skin. Even very dark skinned persons with the "right" facial structure are considered attractive. (See Damson Idris or Taye Diggs, for example.) Indians tend to not have that type of facial structure, not even the lighter skinned ones. (Obviously not all, but disproportionately high.) You can actually experimentally verify this where you take a dark skinned Indian with what might be considered stereotypical Indian facial structure, and edit their skin to be lighter, and do a survey on which faces people find more attractive (showing either one of those two variants of the Indian face to people). I'm willing to bet that they will both score very low on attractiveness, showing that it's not just the dark skin color, but also the facial structure.
2 - Accent. Some accents are naturally more pleasing than others, and the majority of accents of Indian/South Asian languages are not pleasing. This is not an artifact of skin darkness _causing_ this negative perception, since the Nigerian accent (for example) is not auditorily displeasing to most people. But Indian accents are. The fact that the majority of scam callers are Indians makes this SO much worse for Indians than simply having a bad sounding accent. The Thai and Vietnamese accents aren't much better sounding than Indian ones, but there aren't a million scam calls coming from those countries that make people associate their bad accents with bad intent.
3 - Personal hygiene. A disproportionate number of South Asians have hygiene issues. It's actually not too bad here in N. America (despite being obviously noticeable here too), but it really is bad in a lot of other third-world countries, particularly in the Middle East. The issue isn't genetics, it's culture. Indians/South Asians are cheap, and a) Don't do laundry as frequently as they should and rewear clothes which should be in the laundry; and b) Wear a lot of polyester clothing (because it is cheaper than cotton) which produces bad odors much quicker than cotton. The combination of these two choices is the worst possible world for hygiene and smell, but it's hard to get Indians to change their culture of cheapness on this front.
4 - Physical fitness. You've mentioned this already, but I wanted to flesh it out a little bit. Indians are generally shorter than Africans, and they have lower muscle mass too (genetic trait). So if you take an Indian man and a black man who are both obese, the Indian man will come off looking worse since he is likely to have lower muscle mass and is likely to be shorter (and higher height is obviously a preferred trait). This is a genetic problem with people of the Subcontinent, so not a lot can be done to fix that.
There are probably some other reasons as well, but these are some of the major ones from my experience.
Neither damson idris nor taye diggs will be considered attractive in india, indians hate africans because africans are darker, the beauty standards in india are fair skin and sharp features, if you look at bollywood celebrities, you'll understand
Break down the recent PISA results by race. American whites are the most educated group of white people in the world. And American Asians are the most educated group of Asians in the world.
Since you are touching on cultural differences as relevant here, I'll bite on at least one aspect. People from East and South Asia in general tend to end up here because of skills based selection. This often means they are from the old country elite and have cultural habits associated with elites. One of these that is prevalent in the most successful developing or recently developed countries is obsessive focus on STEM. (Go read about Deng Xiaopeng's priorities and goals after Mao if you want a specific example).
Maybe some of these cultures have intrinsic group traits that favor education and technical knowledge acquisition, but it's indisputable that their governments have aggressively favored education and technical knowledge acquisition in recent decades and have put the thumb on the scale for those goals. They do this because they want catch-up growth and Asian intellectuals since at least the late 1800s have understood that their weakness and backwardness relative to the West was largely technological. Mao himself understood this and was trying to push development. He just sucked at it. (He had an inverted understanding of who causes innovation and tried to destroy cognitive elites during the Cultural Revolution).
Whether East/South Asians in general are better at STEM becomes irrelevant in these circumstances from the West's point of view. East/South Asians make up something like a third of all humans on Earth. Those people are all competing for status within their societies as humans do and their societies have decided that education and STEM super, super matter for status in the last 100 years. People who are good at navigating this system will rise to the top in an especially competitive environment and because there are just so many people over there, you will inevitably create many, many, many cognitive elites.
We want them here because they are a cognitive elite and we want growth and innovation, but they are likely to bring over the same attitudes about obsessive competitive STEM based technical skill acquisition that worked for their family back in the old country.
I have seen this difference personally when I have been interviewed for jobs. I work in IT, currently in cybersecurity but I've had a number of roles ranging from support to backend infrastructure to project management. When I'm interviewed by multi-generational American stock (which in tech usually means white people), I am asked technical questions, but 2/3 of the interview consists of questions vetting how much they could stand working with me on a personal level and how many problems I am likely to cause the employer. When I'm interviewed by a south Asian, the entire interview usually consists of technical questions (what does this protocol do, how do you this in AD, explain something about how DNS or IP addressing works, etc.) and extremely pedantic questions about exactly how many years' experience I have doing something or how much education I have in it.
I have lots of opinions about what the correct balance between these things is in terms of picking good tech workers, but that's not my point here. My point is there is an observable difference in what's valued culturally and, yes, I think it rubs some people the wrong way.
This is a long comment already, but I think it raises an important non-economic question that I need to address to drive home my point. Namely, why do we care about technical progress and growth in the first place? The reason I care is because I want to enjoy the proceeds of those things and one of the main proceeds is frankly I have to bust ass doing tedious work way, way, way, way less than my ancestors did. I don't have to wash clothes by hand. I don't have to bust sod. I don't have to churn butter. I don't have to painstakingly copy out any book I want a permanent copy of by hand.
People in Asia want this too so they are willing to short term bust ass to close the gap with the West to enjoy the long-term proceeds. The cognitive elites we import will almost certainly chill out on this frenzied ass busting and technical dick measuring and become more like upper class WASPs or Jews within a few generations as they assimilate. But again, something like 1/3 of all humans come from East/South Asia and there's many, many, many more people who would like to come and are willing to do the ass busting and technical dick measuring to get here.
I want growth and innovation, but I don't really want to radically increase the amount of tedious ass busting work in the form of relentless, competitive STEM technical knowledge acquisition I need to do to compete. This represents a *downgrade* in my quality of life for a future benefit I may or may never see on a personal level. (Those girls who died in the Triangle Shirtwaist fire don't care that their labor means people in mid twentieth century America don't have to wash clothes by hand anymore. Whoop to do, what good does that do them? They were working for themselves, not the future). I'm not trying to make up bad economics to justify stagnation. I'm saying this dynamic is real. We are vaguely sophisticated tribal monkeys who will strive to get the things we want. We also want to conserve energy because calories are expensive. I'm not working for the benefit of randos in 2175. I'm working for the benefit of myself and anything that radically increasing the amount of tedious competition I have to do to stay relevant is a downgrade.
It's a paradox many techno optimists and Darwinian realists don't want to deal with because the truth is they have an aesthetic preference for the cool sci-fi future. It's their Rivendell. Vaguely sophisticated monkeys want to conserve calories. Pretending tedious labor is intrinsically valorous because it's cognitive tedious labor is as stupid as pretending group differences don't exist.
I'm not saying this justifies discriminating against high tech immigrants, but I think this is a very crucial component in understanding why people are annoyed by them. It's another component of the Pareto Principle explanations of why people are against it to go along with vanilla racism.
The hate is coming from not only whites,but also the Chinese and Pakistanis, who have a vested interest in halting the rise of India. The worst thing for both nations if Western support of India and supplanting. China as its low cost manufacturer. These groups are working for antagonize the racist white right via the use of social media.
Another factor is the deluge of Punjabi immigrants into Canada. These groups are very different from the educated techies and doctors from South India who have been the largest group of India migrants to the US in the past 2 decades.
The slur "p@jêêt" is based on Punjabi Sikh names, which are the type of Indians most represented in Canada (all the Indian MPs there are Punjabis). Punjabis Silks are different culturally andookseide from most South Indians, as they have formed gangs in cities like Brampton which further erode race relations, and many were unskilled and worked as farmers and truck drivers.
This fits pretty well with my thesis that introducing a physical fitness requirement to college admissions would alleviate much of the conservative anxiety about cultural Marxism, wokeness, and "foreign takeover."
Russian universities still do this. They also require a core set of classes, regardless of the major, covering government, history, etc. It's a source of complaints from Russian students who find it ridiculous (particularly when a Russian undergraduate degree takes five years to achieve vs. four for a typical western bachelor's degree).
Russia has a worse obesity problem than the USA, not to mention alcoholism, drug abuse and out-of-wedlock births. It’s also one of the few European countries with a higher homicide rate than the USA has. I don’t think people should be taking after them.
I've lived in Russia for two decades due to marriage, and was born and raised in the U.S..
The homicide rate in the U.S. in 2023 was 6.8, and in Russia it was 7.6. Russia has a more expansive definition of homicide than the states or Europe does. If you knowingly contribute to someone's death, it's homicide. For example, if you able to provide help to someone in distress and you do not, it's homicide. In the U.S., only people with a special skillset (like paramedics) are obligated to provide help - and if they do not, the crime is statutory (not homicide).
As an example, I knew of someone who got drunk with someone else out in a very rural area. The one person was driving (which is a very serious offense in Russia) and the two men got into an argument. The driver stopped the vehicle and ordered the other man out of the car. It was below zero in temperature by ten degrees or so, and the guy who got out of the car ended up freezing to death over night because he passed out in the snow. The driver was charged with both drunk driving and homicide. In the states, the only crime would be drunk driving.
I'm not sure what you mean by drug abuse being more prevalent in Russia. Marijuana use is rampant all over Europe and the states, as are hard drugs. There is some heroin in Russia that comes in from Afghanistan, and amphetamine that's manufactured domestically. But there's no cocaine, crack, meth, or fentanyl. And hard drug use is rare. The main reason the incarceration rate in Russia is so high is because marijuana possession and distribution is treated more harshly than the hard drugs in western countries. It's still common, but nothing like in the states or Europe.
Alcohol use has been plummeting. Putin is very anti-drinking and anti-smoking. He's steadily raised taxes and restricted where both products can be sold, and when. You're no longer allowed to smoke tobacco in many places - it's banned in restaurants, bars, many places outside, public transport, and apartment balconies.
I've never understood the obesity reports about Russia. You just don't see it. Not once in two decades have I seen the sorts of grossly obese people that are everywhere in the states and U.K.. There's heavier women and older guys with beer guts. But like I said - not once have I seen someone grossly obese here. When I visit the states, Wal-Mart is full of them, along with every restaurant we eat at (which admittedly is low-brow: Chinese buffets, Denny's, Golden Corral - the kind of stuff that isn't in Russia). There's very little prepared food that you can buy at the grocery store. Everybody cooks from scratch.
As for out-of-wedlock births, idk. Everybody's having babies. My apartment building has constant problems with too many strollers. The streets are filled with women walking their babies, young families out with their kids - it's a huge baby boom. And it's been like that for a decade, and picking up steam. I don't know any Russian women who want to be single mothers. Marriage is a pretty normal stage of life here, and the system is set up to support it; there are low-cost starter apartments that most couples can buy after saving and living for three or four years with their parents (and not have any mortgage payments after). Maternity capital covers a good part of the expense of a first residence, or buying a larger residence (many people start with a studio apartment) for new parents.
Russian students end with a master, not a bachelor. Besides, the first 2 years in US college are equivalent to A levels in UK, baccalaureat in France or Abitur in Germany. Same for Russians - they finish school and go straight to uni.
The normal undergraduate degree in Russia takes five years to complete and is called a Specialist degree. The system is a remnant of the Soviets. I attended Russian university, so I'm certain I'm correct (I also speak the language and have lived in Russia for several decades).
There are a few private schools in the larger cities that offer four-year bachelors degrees, usually in business / management. The tuition is relatively expensive because those schools are not subsidized by the state, unlike most universities. There is a master's program that is offered for some degree programs. It's not popular because by the time you complete it, you're close to the time commitment needed for a doctorate - and the time in a master's program doesn't affect the time to complete a doctoral program.
Russia has the equivalent of British A levels. The schools offering the programs are colleges, as opposed to universities for undergraduate and graduate education. They are vocational schools students attend from the age of sixteen to eighteen. I know a number of people whose children attended and finished one of the colleges, for example in electronics where they were qualified to work a job doing QA in a factory for various electronics goods. Beauty school is another popular college, and graduates obtain a license allowing them to work as hair stylists. British A levels are the same (for teenage secondary school students who haven't finished high school).
Arbitur is the standard entrance exam and completion of secondary school studies for universities in Germany, similar to the ACT and SAT tests in the U.S. in addition to a high school diploma. The French Baccalauréat is similar, and offered around the world in the form of the International Baccalauréat program.
College could be done in 2.5 years and highschool extended by a year and 2 week summers instead of 2.5 months. The AP college credit system allowed me to graduate college in 3 years.
It's actually because they can't drive and are nepotistic. I prefer Indians to Chinese because they don't torture animals but I also don't want them taking over my country. It's nothing personal. They wouldn't want white people taking over their country. No one wants to be a minority in their own country.
I'm not aware of any studies on it, but colloquially there's a sh!t ton of evidence that it's true. Everyone in Silicon Valley 100% believes that it's true, because they've seen it with their own eyes. Once you start hiring from the body shops (like Accenture and Tencent), the whole company turns Indian - even if it's local (non-H1B) hires. And it's not just "Indians hiring Indians" - it's Indian groups hiring and promoting only with their own group. I don't understand the dynamics of that very well.
Maybe Indians are just better software developers so that's why they get hired more? These kind of explanations are readily accepted by conservatives when we out perform other groups (i.e, why there are more male software engineers than female ones--see Damore's letter) but if an out group overperforms why is there always a nefarious explanation?
Without hard evidence, I don't think discrimination should be the default explanation for white under performance.
I'm a software developer with a lot of years in the profession. I've worked in a lot of different teams. My bird's-eye view is that ethnic background doesn't really make any difference. It seems pretty balanced across all of them. It gets to where the cultural differences (and resulting compatibility) are more of a factor than the relative ability of any particular ethnic group.
Most Black developers that I've worked with are Nigerians. I don't know why that is. You'd think that if there was a racial component to it (and whites were superior to Blacks at ability in coding), U.S. Blacks would be more predominate because of the historical racial admixture. But very few U.S. Blacks are in the field, for whatever reason (and it's a situation companies spend $$$ trying to figure out).
There's a dearth of women in the field, also for reasons I don't understand. The popular sentiment is to blame sexism. I don't see that. Every company I've ever worked for has bent over backwards trying to recruit women and Blacks, and every team I've been on that had either took extra laps to make them successful. It just doesn't seem like an attractive field to women for the most part. I have one friend who's female and a developer. She describes the deadlines and demands as being very stressful, and it causes her emotional distress.
Maybe there is some truth to it, but there is also the factor of Indians specifically looking for Indian managers/professors to apply to. All of my friends at uni would specifically search for Indian professors when looking for a research internship.
My manager's(Indian) hiring pipeline is pretty much Indian. And she is not even racist, as she has hired many East Asians, Whites and even a Turkish guy in the past. But she overwhelmingly gets Indian applicants. It kinda funny.
Things must have changed since the late 90s/early 00s. Then the impression prospective grads from India had (based on the experiences of their seniors) was that it was better to seek an American or European advisor in grad school. Indian and Asian advisors were considered ball-busters.
Well yeah, this article is about how radicalized people are getting about Indians. If you're looking for mentors and references, a random white person is 50/50 to sneer at you or smile in your face and then not help. If you lived in Nigeria, would you prefer the white prof or the black one of you're looking for a foot in the door?
On chinese social media, they actually admire Indians for being united as a community and lament that chinese abroad tend to not stand up for fellow chinese or help them. What is 'nepotism' to the white man is considered 'helping your community' in the orient. Its a virtue not a vice.
They can help their community in India, not in my country. I have nothing against nepotism if it's white people doing it in white countries and Indians doing it in India.
Then outlaw nepotism in your country..lol. Whining about universal human traits will get you nowhere. Indians in US aren't even as nepotistic as filipinos, chinese, mexicans, Italians or russians.
If I wanted to live in India, I'd go to India. Australia is the way it is because it was built by European Australians. Then you look at India and see how that place is being run and naturally you don't want to be taken over by Indians. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but is it wrong?
If you've never been to Australia and seen how amazing this place is, how pristine and peaceful, you won't fully understand how much of a threat mass immigration from broken third world countries is.
Yeah but it's not those groups taking over my city. In my neighbourhood it's Indians buying all the new homes. No one wants to be a minority in their own country and I didn't vote to live in little India.
I donate to GiveWell-recommended charities which maximize the preservation of human life. If I could pull a lever which would cause all mosquitos to go extinct, I would do so.
Good piece. I think the main factor is the one you mentioned in the paragraph beginning, "How do East Asian men fit into this?" East Asians and Indians are similarly accomplished and law-abiding in the US, but the former get a lot less hate online. It is surely because they tend to be more quite and introverted, and therefore don't attract much attention.
You guys are forgetting international politics. Much of the hate comes from Pakistan/Muslims and China. They are manufacturing hate online towards Indians to halt India's,s rise.I personal have uncovered ppl from both countries cosplaying as white Americans while posting racial tirades against Indians. Racist whites a big factor too, but these two other groups are adding fuel to the fire.
Richard will admit that physical features cause people to view Indian personalities differently, but then doesn’t do the same for East Asians. There’s studies that show that non-Asians view East Asian faces as more neotenous. This leads them to see East Asians as more introverted and not fit to be leaders.
The fact of the matter is that if East Asians really were like the stereotypes, it’s hard to imagine that East Asia could have produced kung fu masters, samurai, K-pop singers, and other people that clearly are confident, athletic, and extroverted.
This is such dumb nonsense. Every theory it has is pure, unadulterated dreck.
Light skin has historically been prioritized not due to colonialism but not due to any genetic reason either. It's simply because light skin is a sign that you are rich enough to not need to engage in hard manual labor out in the hot Sun. And that is why in the modern West, the association has reversed and so many Westerners are willing to give themselves sunburns and even skin cancer by spending hours lying under the Sun or in a tanning bed to tan themselves. In the modern developed West, a tan is a sign that you can afford costly vacations to exotic sunnier destinations and also a sign that you spent a lot of time outdoors playing sports, which is also a signal of being wealthy. Conversely, Western countries now have service sector-dominated economies and so there are very few outdoors jobs left. So the dark skin-outdoors job association has disappeared.
The economic impact of immigration is highly complex and variable and absolute statements about immigration being beneficial or harmful are both wrong. It depends on the characteristics of the host economy as well as those of the immigrants. For example, In most of Europe, immigration is a net fiscal negative both because the host countries have overly generous welfare systems with overly easy eligibility requirements plus highly inflexible labor markets, and because the immigrants themselves are disproportionately poor refugees with few marketable skills. The former creates strong perverse incentives for immigrants to get onto welfare rather than working even if they try their best. If an economy is undergoing a recession with increasing unemployment, then more immigration would be a massive negative. Similarly, If the economy being spoken of already has an oversupply of jobseekers for a particular skillset then more immigrants coming in with the same skillset will not lead to economic improvement. It will only lead to increased unemployment in that sector. The economy simply doesn't have the capacity to absorb those extra workers. That's what's happening with the American tech sector. Layoffs from COVID-era overhiring, domestic oversupply due to bootcamps and AI have led to a massive oversupply of tech workers.
The sports section is the only one with some semblance of truth, though the testosterone arguments are pure nonsense. I could show a dozen studies showing that South Asians have tremendous athletic potential. But yes, Indian immigrants in the US are overwhelmingly unathletic tech nerds due to the selection process. On top of that, Indian culture simply doesn't prioritize sports (except for cricket) to the same degree to which American culture does, especially at the school and collegiate level (mainly due to the revenue sports phenomenon in the US). Though 2.5th generation and onwards Indians naturally rapidly assimilate to American cultural norms and start focusing on sports, but because most Indian immigrants are still 1st and 2nd generations, this process will take some time.
Also, blacks are still subject to virulent racism on the same sections of the right which are most responsible for anti-Indian racism. Most of the favors granted to blacks come from the left. And the main reason for said favors is not some 'masculine charisma', but simply because blacks are 13% of the population versus 1.6% for Indians (and virtually all of that 13% are full citizens and so can vote unlike Indians, a huge share of whom are on visas and so are ineligible to vote) and on top of that, blacks are geographically concentrated in ways that amplify their voting power in the FPTP American voting system. In other words, blacks are simply a very potent voting bloc and so pandering to them is essential to winning votes, unlike Indians.
As for the disparity between black male:white female and white male:black female relationships in favor of the former, that's due to the UNattractiveness of black women (who are the most obese demographic in the US by far) rather than the attractiveness of black men (who are some of the least popular demographics on dating apps). Also, black men seem very willing to date fat white women who are mostly rejected by white men. The BBC myth is one created by white men with a cuckolding fetish. It has no relation to reality.
There are a few other minor factors of note such as the hostility of Indian nationalists towards Westerners online and the overrepresentation of Indians in tech support scams, but this post is already too long.
There is an evolutionary mechanism favoring whiter skin among females - It's easier to detect dermal abnormalities on a white backdrop. Fair women can thus send an honest signal of their health while darker women can't.
There’s a lot of truth here. The alleged romantic prowess of black men is largely a myth. I’ve commonly seen men of all races, including Indians, with attractive women of all races with the only exception being black men. The women they tend to get are not ones that most men even want.
Also, it would help to distinguish normie conservatives from white nationalists, even if the distinction is blurring. Normie conservatives are more susceptible to the sorts of double standards with regards to blacks vs. Indians that Hanania is referring to here, but white nationalists hate both equally.
ok, jeet. reply with a code and an email and i will send you some pics. i have lived on both coasts and have worked with a ton of indians. i have seen a ton of hot mudsharks and have never seen a single jeet with a hot white chick. why the fuck do you think there is an entire category of porn based on mudsharking and there is no “see a smelly jeet bang a blonde”
the delusion is strong. it would take me a week to send you pics
that proves your thesis is cope and i will have to search for years before i see some hotel owner’s kid with a hot white chick.
Seethe more nigger. We all know that bbc shit is astroturfed by kanging we wuzzery blacks with crippling inferiority complexes. Stop watching blacked and go touch grass.
lolz i prefer jigaboo
or…do i really tune up your mind and let you know that meine familie ist vor einer generation aus kehl eingewandert.
🙃
I don't think that explains the preference for light skin. Rather that white skinned women are seen as a more attractive, so rich men marry them and this leads to the whitening of elites. Look at Gulf royalty as an evidence: https://thearabweekly.com/omani-crown-prince-joins-youthful-gulf-royals much lighter skinned as most Arabs, because of a series of rich dads marrying lighter-skinned women. So imagine that you live there. There is an obvious social pressure in every society that whatever the elites do, or are, is preferable.
The Omani prince you linked isn't exceptionally fair-skinned by the standards of Arab peoples. And your hypothesis fails to account for the fact that the West itself historically preferred fair skin and then the preference reversed and tans became popular from the 1920s onwards.
You failed to mention that Indians speak English with funny accents. (So do the English, but they are familiar and prestigious. Australians and Irish are hardly distinguishable from the English. Other foreigners are at least trying to mimic the American accent. Indians don’t try: they think their accent is already good enough.)
Anglos find Indian English funny only because they already dislike Indians. Otherwise they'd hate the thick French and German English accents too but the former is stereotyped as 'sexy' and the latter as 'precise and scientific' in the Anglosphere. I don't think I need to point out that there's nothing intrinsically sexy or technical about either accent. It is just national stereotypes about the French and Germans that are projected onto their accents.
One thing I've noticed is that while interracial marriages are uncommon across the board, among medium to high SES couples the ratio of white male/black female to black male/white female is closer to even.
I hate dark skin because it literally looks like poop and that’s gross and not fun to look at
Mental illness among the far right is off the charts.
indians too hate dark skin, dark skin indians prefer to marry fair skinned indians, so that they have fair skinned off spring, that's why you would see many indian couples have dark skinned male and fair skinned female
Look at the people being racist and not who they're being racist towards, and you'll have your answer. It's that Indians are in tech.
Since Usenet, Internet users have always been disproportionately a) tech-y whether or not they have jobs and b) weird, bitter nerds. Tech hiring dropped like a rock in q1 2022, so there are a bunch of unemployed CS grads and laid-off SWEs who know Indians but not as friends (they have no friends) and spend all day online. Voila, new racism.
Same resentment comes out when certain ethnic groups outperform techy nerds romantically as well. Tribal mate guarding appears to be universal across cultures so I doubt we'll ever escape it but we certainly shouldn't embrace our monkey brain.
Indians in tech are utterly racist.
Find an Indian CIO or CTO who’s been with a company for more than two years and you’ll discover that almost every single manager below them is also Indian.
No promotions or hiring of whites, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, etc.
People have eyes.
Literally Google disproves this. Look at the org directly under Sundar Pinchai, and then the org charts under any of his 3 or 4 Indian subordinates (out of 20 total). Plenty of non-Indian faces!
Gosh, any chance that Google might have different talent and salary standards for their technology team than some conduit manufacturing company in Wisconsin.
But Google is one of the leaders in H1B applications. They’re likely farming out maintenance projects to those guys.
I do bizdev for a software engineering firm. I’ve researched several hundred companies to pitch to at this point, and there is a clear and unmistakable pattern of Indian CIO/CTOs having almost nothing but Indians reporting to them.
Do you even work in tech?
The product team at my medium-sized regional U.S. software vendor, on which I (white) am an engineer, is almost even parts white, Indian, Latino and east asian. Our manager, the guy who hired me, was Indian until he got laid off in 2022.
You’ve listed two examples, one anecdotal.
I’ve researched hundreds of companies.
You got hired by an Indian who got laid off 3 years ago, so you haven’t been in the job market for quite some time now.
Go apply at those companies with lots of Indian tech leaders and let me know how it works out.
Certainly any uptick in job competition drives an increase in intergroup friction of all types. Nothing advances anti-racism like a labor shortage!
“Observations about the group-level personality flaws of Indians aren’t valid because there’s not data to back them up”
*a few paragraphs later*
“Asian men are introverted and passive in personal relationships which is why their success isn’t visible and recognized”
🤨
Yeah, I keep noticing that Richard loves talking about how allegedly conformist and introverted East Asians are. I think there’s something psychosexual going on here, as because he has an East Asian wife, it’s like a fetish thing for him to talk about the supposed submissiveness of East Asians.
Richard Hanania is straight?
Who is Richard's wife?
East Asian-Americans definitely are compared to other American ethnicities. Though I believe that is largely the result of a selection effect where the nerdiest and most socially inept East Asian tech workers and students come over to the US. But Confucianism and its focus on passivity, submissiveness and blind obedience to authority is also a terribly wrong philosophy to live by in an extraverted culture like the US.
No way Richard Fucks.
Great observation!
The Indian diet does their men no favors. Refusing to eat beef is horrible for your testosterone levels (being vegetarian is even worse). Lower testosterone levels lead to more brown-nosery as found in a recent research paper.
Another factor I am surprised you failed to mention is the Indian call center scams. The first interaction many Americans outside of the tech sector have had with Indians is the fake "Microsoft tech support" guy calling them on the phone. First impressions matter. When the first interaction you have with an Indian person is them trying to scam you or your grandma it colors your perception of the whole group.
If the Indian government wants to improve the international perception of Indians it should do 4 simple things:
1. Imprison every single call center scammer in Kolkata
2. Mandate and actually enforce a total ban on street defecation and cow poop baths. The "street shitter" meme is unfortunately rooted in reality. Disgust is the most powerful emotion and nothing disgusts normies more than poop.
3. Inform Indians that consuming a lot of curry changes your body odor. A lot of the negative perception of Indians revolves around personal hygiene and smell.
4. Encourage Indian students to balance studying with sports or going to the gym. This will help cast off the "dweebish nerd" stereotype.
1. 100%. What westerners probably don't realise is that Indians themselves are the biggest victims of call centre scams. We have goverment mandated ads and announcements on television constantly warning people to be aware of such scams already.
2. Street defecation is a result of poor plumbing and sanitation in the most poor areas. Its not a preference lol. The cow thing is some very niche ritual also practiced only in rural areas. Unfortunately, rural India is a completely different beast and the world wasn't ready for them to receive high speed internet. Maybe that was a mistake.
3. Easier said than done. Dietary habits are hard to change. But as societies and people get richer, interest in beauty products and cosmetics increases. Fragrant body soaps are very popular but probably not enough. Instead sell deodorants more.
4. Weight training has gained immense popularity amongst Gen Z. Most of my male friends and even some female friends are extremely into gym culture. We are on the right track here.
Gym culture is itself a product of economic growth. As India grows economically, gyms will become more common and patronizing them will become the norm for the Indian Middle class in the same way it is for western Middle classes. The same thing occurred in China. Today's Chinese youngsters are bigger and stronger than most Americans. But on top of that, the psychotic obsession with entrance test scores in Indian culture also needs to be rectified. Of course, that is a product of the way Indian colleges admit students. There is no holistic admissions policy unlike that of the US so entrance test scores are the only thing that matters. That creates a perverse incentive to not focus on sports and extracurriculars. The solution is for Indian colleges to introduce a mandatory athletic ability test for admission.
"Chinese youngters are bigger and stronger than most Americans "
Ambigious. Doesn't pass the smell test.
You literally speed ran every single white supremacist groyper talking point in a single comment. Wow.
There is plenty of protein in pulses and peas. Lacto-Vegetarianism by itself is no problem so long as a balanced diet is consumed. Of course, the Indian diet being very oily is a major problem, but then the very unhealthy black American Southern soul food diet is even worse. Black Americans have very high obesity rates in the US. NBA and NFL players are very, very far from the typical black guy in health and athletic ability. Your point about the dweebish nerd stereotype is absolutely correct. It is partly a problem of Indian culture's overemphasis on academics and disdain for sports as a 'time-wasting' activity but also a problem of the immigration process selecting for tech nerds rather than athletes.
Pulses and peas are still primarily sources of carbohydrates. Their protein density is too low.
The U.S. has been admitting the nerdiest of the nerdiest of the Indian subcontinent. It is miracle that you can find any second generation Indian kids involved in sports.
"2. Mandate and actually enforce a total ban on street defecation and cow poop baths. The "street shitter" meme is unfortunately rooted in reality. Disgust is the most powerful emotion and nothing disgusts normies more than poop."
What does that have to do with perceptions of Indian Americans in the US? Most of these people haven't even visited India. Those who have, are much more likely to be liberal.
A lot of Americans see videos on TikTok or Instagram of street defecation in India and it grosses them out and disgusts them. This clouds Indians as a group with a perception of savagery and a lack of basic hygiene. The perception is mostly wrong for upper caste and urban Indian immigrants (and definitely wrong for the US-born second generation), but the average uninformed American can't tell the difference between castes or whether someone is from rural or urban India or born in the US.
No. The average American is not watching videos of Indians pooping outside on TikTok.
There are lots of weird people in this country but not that many to be the average.
This is frankly a problem for the morons watching not Indians to solve. They frequently watch 20 year old videos/pictures or those from another country and believe those too. Misinformation & prejudice can't be solved that way, it's not our problem that they are gullible little racists.
Only some subcastes of Brahmins are Vegetarian. Otherwise meat, primarly chicken, fish and mutton, are pretty common dishes in Indian cuisine. It's just that you're not allowed to eat meat on some days considered more auspicious like on Tuesdays and Fridays, and is not allowed on some festive ocassions. Even beef, oxen and Buffalo, is eaten in parts of the country is Kerala or Bengal. Hell, some parts in the south still practice animal sacrifice.
The simple reality is, sports and physical exercise is frowned upon in India in favour of an extreme obsession with academics. Not to mention the extremely shame based culture that squashes individuality. Besides, the majority of Indians you get in the US are the nerdy techie types from upper middle class families.
Just because Americans care more about basketball & football & baseball, that doesn't mean that Indians "aren't good at sports."
There is a great irony in the fact that America was founded as an Anglo country, with significant French influence, and yet Americans at large seem not to give a flying fuck about cricket nor tennis. Maybe it's because of excessive post-WWII Evangelical cultural influence in public life.
Hopefully, that specific type of sports culture changes significantly in the coming decades – there are already many American billionaires investing in an American version of T20/IPL/BBL. Perhaps those will replace (or at least achieve parity with) the NFL/NBA/MLB as mainstays in the American psyche.
Agree on the beef thing, though. I'm not sure why modern Hinduism is so neurotic in this regard. I'm quite convinced that most ancient yogis ate beef, even in South India, and there is some evidence in Sanskrit scripture to support this.
They are neurotic about beef because its a culture war issue with the Muslims. Thats about it. Beef (or Buff as its more commonly called) is sold is many parts outside of the Hindi belt + big cities.
I don’t agree with everything you say, but it does seem like the fact English is much more commonly spoken in India than China is almost a disadvantage for India. Since, in the west, we have much more visibility into India’s moron, assholes, crazies, and hicks
It also made India dependent on US tech services like Google instead of creating their own as China did
India ranks fairly high among countries in terms of income inequality. While public defecation is still a big problem in the country, none of the Indians migrating to the West to work for tech companies have ever shat in the street. On the contrary, they most likely grew up in enormous mansions with a full team of maids, cooks and footmen to assist them with their every whim.
Any evidence that eating cow flesh increases testosterone? By what biological mechanism would that happen?
Yes, there have been several medical studies that show a positive relationship between beef consumption and testosterone. This is because beef is rich in zinc, vitamin D, and creatine.
You don't believe in scientific facts just because they came from someone called Anonymous? Clearly, you need to work on your trust issues.
First off, the diet thing— Not quite! Actually, around 70-80% of Indians eat meat like chicken, mutton, fish, or eggs, depending on where they’re from or their community. And about testosterone? Studies are all over the place—some say vegetarians might have slightly lower levels, but it’s not a big deal. Plus, look at Indian wrestlers! Guys like Sushil Kumar and Bajrang Punia, who’ve won Olympic medals, are strict vegetarians, Even Vinesh Phogat, one of our top female wrestlers, thrives on veggie diet. So, the beef fix? Not reallu needed.
1. Now, about those Kolkata call center scams—yeah, it’s annoying that some scammers have targeted people abroad, pretending to be tech support. The central government can’t just shut them down because law and order is handled by states. Kolkata’s in West Bengal, run by a party that is hostile to Modi’s BJP.
2. “street shitter” meme is so outdated its ridiculous to keep trotting it out. It was more of a rural thing years ago due to lack of toilets, not cities. India has built over 110 million toilets last decade, dropping open defecation from over 70% to just 11% now. We’re pretty much open defecation-free in most of districts, though some remote spots still need work. And cow poop baths..Are you serious?
3. About curry and body odor - a classic myth! Indians take baths daily
4. Sports is quite big in India. Of course, its cricket, not football. Gyms have mushroomed all over India. Not a single lane without a gym. Its just that the guys who reach US tend to be techies and not very athletic.
About the diet thing: the tiny amount of meat consumed is insufficient. More bio available high quality protein and fat from red meat is needed. This explains most issues.
It’s not that Indians aren’t good at sports. They are very coordinated. It’s that they are very weak due to poor diet and low protein intake. Watch how Indian perform in UFC matches. Never seen any race of men get KOed from one punch so fast. Made of cotton.
Our ancestors failed us with poor decision making leading to dog shit genetics.
Small call out on the diet thing, even though most Indians are meat eaters, meat is not part of the regular diet for most and is viewed as a treat to be had on weekends etc
True but chinese eat meat daily yet they don't have physique matching either caucasians or blacks. Compared to Indians, they are maybe 2-4 cm tall and 2 kg heavier but that may be due to the fact chinese poor are 2-3x richer than Indian poor and hence their calorie count is higher.
As far testosterone in concerned, penis size of Indian men is biggest in entire Asia outranking even sturdy Afghan pathans. If quantity of meat eating determined testosterone levels, Japanese & south koreans would have been on top not Indians
https://seasia.co/infographic/average-penis-size-in-asia
Not testosterone levels, but it does correlate with muscle mass. Of course its not like Chinese/East Asians are extremely genetically gifted when it comes to muscles. But your average Indian is a decent bit smaller than your average white guy.
Indian averages are marred by the sub alterns who are poor and undernourished. Again, as they climb the economic ladder and eat more nutritious food, they will become taller and bigger. I already see it happening in metro cities where even the young garbage men look bigger than older generation middle class men. On a recent foreign visit to europe, I observed many short whites..especially women. Honestly, the difference between them and Indians (obviously upper middle class tourists) wasn't much.
11% is still a ton of open defecation (and from what I have read this is a significant under count for political reasons). India has made some progress here, but the work is not done.
On the contrary, 11% is actually UN/WHO figure. Indian govt's numbers are far lower..just 0.4%.
Also, for comparison look at OD rates of African countries with rates ranging from 16% to 67%.
But no one talks about Africans being street-shitters because saying anything negative about blacks is racism. Also, no one in west acknowledges the tremendous progress done in last 10 years by a nationalist govt to build 110 million toilets because nationalism is a bad word in western commentariat. (Fyi, it was socialist congress govt that ruled India for most of the period since independence till 2014. They are the main culprits who are responsible for keeping India backward)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation#Prevalence_and_trends
Also, most open defecation is practiced on farm lands or in the woods. Not on streets. Thats a very small subsection of extremely poor slum dwellers.
No point focusing energies in pleasing the racists. They will find new reasons to hate.
Yes
It's pure race hatred. Superficial hatred based on melanin content.
Conservatives are not an evolved species. They still have have base tribal demeanour.
Tell us how you really feel!
(My response has the same depth of reasoning as your own.)
Given your posting activity you are a mentally deranged, devolved sociopath who should have been cleansed from the gene pool.
Well researched and solid ad hom!
You are a lunatic climate change skeptic and immigration hysteric, and a sadistic creature. You aren’t worth the oxygen you breathe.
It’s an opinion, based on my assessment that you’re a waste of oxygen.
You're funny
And you should be rotting away in your mom’s basement covered in cheeto dust and cum-stains from transgender porn, which you people love.
There are a lot of people in the comment section saying that India is good at cricket. I want to add a counterpoint:
No it’s not.
India has two cricket World Cup wins. Australia has six.
India has 1.4 billion people. Australia has 27 million
In India, cricket is by far the most popular sport. In Australia, cricket is behind Aussie Rules Football, Rugby League and maybe equivalent to Rugby Union and Association Football (soccer)
Australia is indeed better (10 ICC trophy wins) but India has the second best record (7), followed by West Indies (5).
Does this account for Canada and Jatts? It's seems to me the recent surge of anti Indian online hate started there and spread the rest of the English online communities. The stereotype of Jatts isn't really the quiet, nerdy type.
Personally I think it's just loser whites who want a scapegoat rather than taking personal responsibility for how they own goaled their lives repeatedly. Indian Americans are pretty successful so it breeds jealousy.
It started in Canada after a massive wave of recent immigrants and associated scam colleges and other problems.
Fundamentally, it's a product of selection. People are fine with Indians but they don't want to live in India. Few Indians, elite Indians and you get less of this.
Let in large numbers of people from a low trust society and people will react badly. It's especially bad because India is a united polity despite the diversity so things like college scams (the lack of a country cap on immigration led to chain scamming) or people stealing "free" food from charities aimed at the poor when they work for TD (yes, that happened) tar everyone.
The H1B visa hate is specific to America precisely because Indians are well-selected. For the rest of the world the post-COVID migration wave simple saddled them with lower human capital migrants with a corresponding decrease in sympathy.
The H1B visa hate is because the Indian consultant companies have been abusing the system, in fact, making it harder for legitimately exceptional Indian people to get through the lottery.
I agree with you about the consulting companies, but reading your Substack page suggests that you are another mentally deranged hateful retard.
I hope your people, the Lebanese Phalangist gusanos get a lot of hate directed at you for being bloodthirsty bootlickers. If anyone is from a low-trust society and who is racist and bigoted it’s you people. Other Lebanese people hate you.
This comment was too funny, and too long which is why I stopped reading half way through.Your screed was a cry of insecurity, basically
4chan is that way
I agree with your general point that people who hate on Indians are huge losers. But also, who actually does this?? I don't think it's "the right". I think it's one very, very specific group of people: young tech nerd men on the right.
That's actually a very small group of people. Like what, less than 5% of the population, surely? It's just that they're the loudest and most odious people on the internet and comprise a majority of X users who actually post stuff.
I'd be more inclined to listen to literally anything they ever had to say if they EVER displayed a single shred of goodwill towards any other human on earth, or ever said a damn thing that wasn't just spewing constant nastiness, bitterness, and hostility. Do these people EVER have anything nice to say about anyone or anything?? No, they dont. They somehow universally hate themselves (though still have big egos) and everyone else, and their opinions hating one particular group more than another just tells me they're paricularly envious and resentful towards them. Honestly these kinds of guys are truly the biggest losers in the world. These are people born into the most prosperous society on earth, with the intelligence and brains to make something of themselves, and yet they manage to just sit online spewing hostility all day long.
Like it's at the point that it's an actual credit to whoever they hate. They hate sexy chicks. They hate Jewish people. If they hate Indians, presumably they're pretty cool too. I don't live somewhere with a ton of Indians, but the few I've worked with were all extremely smart, very successful, good looking, fit, and all around cool people...all doctors, lawyers, and CEOs.
Whites have massive status anxiety .. ergo this anxiety and hatred is peddled towards easy targets like Indians - who don't fight back.
We actually do fight back quite a bit and are learning to fight better, which is causing even more status anxiety for many Westerners (specifically downwardly mobile white men).
I would think that it's east Asians who don't fight back, as they're less politically active.
A few other factors as well:
1 - Unaesthetic facial structure. There are specific physical features of the face (bone structure, facial proportions) that are seen as physically attractive, regardless of the color of one's skin. Even very dark skinned persons with the "right" facial structure are considered attractive. (See Damson Idris or Taye Diggs, for example.) Indians tend to not have that type of facial structure, not even the lighter skinned ones. (Obviously not all, but disproportionately high.) You can actually experimentally verify this where you take a dark skinned Indian with what might be considered stereotypical Indian facial structure, and edit their skin to be lighter, and do a survey on which faces people find more attractive (showing either one of those two variants of the Indian face to people). I'm willing to bet that they will both score very low on attractiveness, showing that it's not just the dark skin color, but also the facial structure.
2 - Accent. Some accents are naturally more pleasing than others, and the majority of accents of Indian/South Asian languages are not pleasing. This is not an artifact of skin darkness _causing_ this negative perception, since the Nigerian accent (for example) is not auditorily displeasing to most people. But Indian accents are. The fact that the majority of scam callers are Indians makes this SO much worse for Indians than simply having a bad sounding accent. The Thai and Vietnamese accents aren't much better sounding than Indian ones, but there aren't a million scam calls coming from those countries that make people associate their bad accents with bad intent.
3 - Personal hygiene. A disproportionate number of South Asians have hygiene issues. It's actually not too bad here in N. America (despite being obviously noticeable here too), but it really is bad in a lot of other third-world countries, particularly in the Middle East. The issue isn't genetics, it's culture. Indians/South Asians are cheap, and a) Don't do laundry as frequently as they should and rewear clothes which should be in the laundry; and b) Wear a lot of polyester clothing (because it is cheaper than cotton) which produces bad odors much quicker than cotton. The combination of these two choices is the worst possible world for hygiene and smell, but it's hard to get Indians to change their culture of cheapness on this front.
4 - Physical fitness. You've mentioned this already, but I wanted to flesh it out a little bit. Indians are generally shorter than Africans, and they have lower muscle mass too (genetic trait). So if you take an Indian man and a black man who are both obese, the Indian man will come off looking worse since he is likely to have lower muscle mass and is likely to be shorter (and higher height is obviously a preferred trait). This is a genetic problem with people of the Subcontinent, so not a lot can be done to fix that.
There are probably some other reasons as well, but these are some of the major ones from my experience.
Neither damson idris nor taye diggs will be considered attractive in india, indians hate africans because africans are darker, the beauty standards in india are fair skin and sharp features, if you look at bollywood celebrities, you'll understand
Your comment is irrelevant. He's talking about beauty standards in Western countries, not in India.
These comments make one thing very clear
AMERICANS ARE A BUNCH OF UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT, RACIST MORONS!
Break down the recent PISA results by race. American whites are the most educated group of white people in the world. And American Asians are the most educated group of Asians in the world.
Since you are touching on cultural differences as relevant here, I'll bite on at least one aspect. People from East and South Asia in general tend to end up here because of skills based selection. This often means they are from the old country elite and have cultural habits associated with elites. One of these that is prevalent in the most successful developing or recently developed countries is obsessive focus on STEM. (Go read about Deng Xiaopeng's priorities and goals after Mao if you want a specific example).
Maybe some of these cultures have intrinsic group traits that favor education and technical knowledge acquisition, but it's indisputable that their governments have aggressively favored education and technical knowledge acquisition in recent decades and have put the thumb on the scale for those goals. They do this because they want catch-up growth and Asian intellectuals since at least the late 1800s have understood that their weakness and backwardness relative to the West was largely technological. Mao himself understood this and was trying to push development. He just sucked at it. (He had an inverted understanding of who causes innovation and tried to destroy cognitive elites during the Cultural Revolution).
Whether East/South Asians in general are better at STEM becomes irrelevant in these circumstances from the West's point of view. East/South Asians make up something like a third of all humans on Earth. Those people are all competing for status within their societies as humans do and their societies have decided that education and STEM super, super matter for status in the last 100 years. People who are good at navigating this system will rise to the top in an especially competitive environment and because there are just so many people over there, you will inevitably create many, many, many cognitive elites.
We want them here because they are a cognitive elite and we want growth and innovation, but they are likely to bring over the same attitudes about obsessive competitive STEM based technical skill acquisition that worked for their family back in the old country.
I have seen this difference personally when I have been interviewed for jobs. I work in IT, currently in cybersecurity but I've had a number of roles ranging from support to backend infrastructure to project management. When I'm interviewed by multi-generational American stock (which in tech usually means white people), I am asked technical questions, but 2/3 of the interview consists of questions vetting how much they could stand working with me on a personal level and how many problems I am likely to cause the employer. When I'm interviewed by a south Asian, the entire interview usually consists of technical questions (what does this protocol do, how do you this in AD, explain something about how DNS or IP addressing works, etc.) and extremely pedantic questions about exactly how many years' experience I have doing something or how much education I have in it.
I have lots of opinions about what the correct balance between these things is in terms of picking good tech workers, but that's not my point here. My point is there is an observable difference in what's valued culturally and, yes, I think it rubs some people the wrong way.
This is a long comment already, but I think it raises an important non-economic question that I need to address to drive home my point. Namely, why do we care about technical progress and growth in the first place? The reason I care is because I want to enjoy the proceeds of those things and one of the main proceeds is frankly I have to bust ass doing tedious work way, way, way, way less than my ancestors did. I don't have to wash clothes by hand. I don't have to bust sod. I don't have to churn butter. I don't have to painstakingly copy out any book I want a permanent copy of by hand.
People in Asia want this too so they are willing to short term bust ass to close the gap with the West to enjoy the long-term proceeds. The cognitive elites we import will almost certainly chill out on this frenzied ass busting and technical dick measuring and become more like upper class WASPs or Jews within a few generations as they assimilate. But again, something like 1/3 of all humans come from East/South Asia and there's many, many, many more people who would like to come and are willing to do the ass busting and technical dick measuring to get here.
I want growth and innovation, but I don't really want to radically increase the amount of tedious ass busting work in the form of relentless, competitive STEM technical knowledge acquisition I need to do to compete. This represents a *downgrade* in my quality of life for a future benefit I may or may never see on a personal level. (Those girls who died in the Triangle Shirtwaist fire don't care that their labor means people in mid twentieth century America don't have to wash clothes by hand anymore. Whoop to do, what good does that do them? They were working for themselves, not the future). I'm not trying to make up bad economics to justify stagnation. I'm saying this dynamic is real. We are vaguely sophisticated tribal monkeys who will strive to get the things we want. We also want to conserve energy because calories are expensive. I'm not working for the benefit of randos in 2175. I'm working for the benefit of myself and anything that radically increasing the amount of tedious competition I have to do to stay relevant is a downgrade.
It's a paradox many techno optimists and Darwinian realists don't want to deal with because the truth is they have an aesthetic preference for the cool sci-fi future. It's their Rivendell. Vaguely sophisticated monkeys want to conserve calories. Pretending tedious labor is intrinsically valorous because it's cognitive tedious labor is as stupid as pretending group differences don't exist.
I'm not saying this justifies discriminating against high tech immigrants, but I think this is a very crucial component in understanding why people are annoyed by them. It's another component of the Pareto Principle explanations of why people are against it to go along with vanilla racism.
The hate is coming from not only whites,but also the Chinese and Pakistanis, who have a vested interest in halting the rise of India. The worst thing for both nations if Western support of India and supplanting. China as its low cost manufacturer. These groups are working for antagonize the racist white right via the use of social media.
Another factor is the deluge of Punjabi immigrants into Canada. These groups are very different from the educated techies and doctors from South India who have been the largest group of India migrants to the US in the past 2 decades.
The slur "p@jêêt" is based on Punjabi Sikh names, which are the type of Indians most represented in Canada (all the Indian MPs there are Punjabis). Punjabis Silks are different culturally andookseide from most South Indians, as they have formed gangs in cities like Brampton which further erode race relations, and many were unskilled and worked as farmers and truck drivers.
On social media it does seem to be the case that a lot of discord is being spread by foreign accounts pretending to be Americans.
This fits pretty well with my thesis that introducing a physical fitness requirement to college admissions would alleviate much of the conservative anxiety about cultural Marxism, wokeness, and "foreign takeover."
Russian universities still do this. They also require a core set of classes, regardless of the major, covering government, history, etc. It's a source of complaints from Russian students who find it ridiculous (particularly when a Russian undergraduate degree takes five years to achieve vs. four for a typical western bachelor's degree).
I don't really like course requirements. I'm just saying you should have to film yourself doing 50 pushups or something in your college application.
Russia has a worse obesity problem than the USA, not to mention alcoholism, drug abuse and out-of-wedlock births. It’s also one of the few European countries with a higher homicide rate than the USA has. I don’t think people should be taking after them.
I've lived in Russia for two decades due to marriage, and was born and raised in the U.S..
The homicide rate in the U.S. in 2023 was 6.8, and in Russia it was 7.6. Russia has a more expansive definition of homicide than the states or Europe does. If you knowingly contribute to someone's death, it's homicide. For example, if you able to provide help to someone in distress and you do not, it's homicide. In the U.S., only people with a special skillset (like paramedics) are obligated to provide help - and if they do not, the crime is statutory (not homicide).
As an example, I knew of someone who got drunk with someone else out in a very rural area. The one person was driving (which is a very serious offense in Russia) and the two men got into an argument. The driver stopped the vehicle and ordered the other man out of the car. It was below zero in temperature by ten degrees or so, and the guy who got out of the car ended up freezing to death over night because he passed out in the snow. The driver was charged with both drunk driving and homicide. In the states, the only crime would be drunk driving.
I'm not sure what you mean by drug abuse being more prevalent in Russia. Marijuana use is rampant all over Europe and the states, as are hard drugs. There is some heroin in Russia that comes in from Afghanistan, and amphetamine that's manufactured domestically. But there's no cocaine, crack, meth, or fentanyl. And hard drug use is rare. The main reason the incarceration rate in Russia is so high is because marijuana possession and distribution is treated more harshly than the hard drugs in western countries. It's still common, but nothing like in the states or Europe.
Alcohol use has been plummeting. Putin is very anti-drinking and anti-smoking. He's steadily raised taxes and restricted where both products can be sold, and when. You're no longer allowed to smoke tobacco in many places - it's banned in restaurants, bars, many places outside, public transport, and apartment balconies.
I've never understood the obesity reports about Russia. You just don't see it. Not once in two decades have I seen the sorts of grossly obese people that are everywhere in the states and U.K.. There's heavier women and older guys with beer guts. But like I said - not once have I seen someone grossly obese here. When I visit the states, Wal-Mart is full of them, along with every restaurant we eat at (which admittedly is low-brow: Chinese buffets, Denny's, Golden Corral - the kind of stuff that isn't in Russia). There's very little prepared food that you can buy at the grocery store. Everybody cooks from scratch.
As for out-of-wedlock births, idk. Everybody's having babies. My apartment building has constant problems with too many strollers. The streets are filled with women walking their babies, young families out with their kids - it's a huge baby boom. And it's been like that for a decade, and picking up steam. I don't know any Russian women who want to be single mothers. Marriage is a pretty normal stage of life here, and the system is set up to support it; there are low-cost starter apartments that most couples can buy after saving and living for three or four years with their parents (and not have any mortgage payments after). Maternity capital covers a good part of the expense of a first residence, or buying a larger residence (many people start with a studio apartment) for new parents.
Russian students end with a master, not a bachelor. Besides, the first 2 years in US college are equivalent to A levels in UK, baccalaureat in France or Abitur in Germany. Same for Russians - they finish school and go straight to uni.
The normal undergraduate degree in Russia takes five years to complete and is called a Specialist degree. The system is a remnant of the Soviets. I attended Russian university, so I'm certain I'm correct (I also speak the language and have lived in Russia for several decades).
There are a few private schools in the larger cities that offer four-year bachelors degrees, usually in business / management. The tuition is relatively expensive because those schools are not subsidized by the state, unlike most universities. There is a master's program that is offered for some degree programs. It's not popular because by the time you complete it, you're close to the time commitment needed for a doctorate - and the time in a master's program doesn't affect the time to complete a doctoral program.
Russia has the equivalent of British A levels. The schools offering the programs are colleges, as opposed to universities for undergraduate and graduate education. They are vocational schools students attend from the age of sixteen to eighteen. I know a number of people whose children attended and finished one of the colleges, for example in electronics where they were qualified to work a job doing QA in a factory for various electronics goods. Beauty school is another popular college, and graduates obtain a license allowing them to work as hair stylists. British A levels are the same (for teenage secondary school students who haven't finished high school).
Arbitur is the standard entrance exam and completion of secondary school studies for universities in Germany, similar to the ACT and SAT tests in the U.S. in addition to a high school diploma. The French Baccalauréat is similar, and offered around the world in the form of the International Baccalauréat program.
College could be done in 2.5 years and highschool extended by a year and 2 week summers instead of 2.5 months. The AP college credit system allowed me to graduate college in 3 years.
It's actually because they can't drive and are nepotistic. I prefer Indians to Chinese because they don't torture animals but I also don't want them taking over my country. It's nothing personal. They wouldn't want white people taking over their country. No one wants to be a minority in their own country.
Back up your sentiments with numbers. Do Indians have higher crash rates? Do Indians hire and promote other Indians at a rate than other groups?
I'm not aware of any studies on it, but colloquially there's a sh!t ton of evidence that it's true. Everyone in Silicon Valley 100% believes that it's true, because they've seen it with their own eyes. Once you start hiring from the body shops (like Accenture and Tencent), the whole company turns Indian - even if it's local (non-H1B) hires. And it's not just "Indians hiring Indians" - it's Indian groups hiring and promoting only with their own group. I don't understand the dynamics of that very well.
Maybe Indians are just better software developers so that's why they get hired more? These kind of explanations are readily accepted by conservatives when we out perform other groups (i.e, why there are more male software engineers than female ones--see Damore's letter) but if an out group overperforms why is there always a nefarious explanation?
Without hard evidence, I don't think discrimination should be the default explanation for white under performance.
I'm a software developer with a lot of years in the profession. I've worked in a lot of different teams. My bird's-eye view is that ethnic background doesn't really make any difference. It seems pretty balanced across all of them. It gets to where the cultural differences (and resulting compatibility) are more of a factor than the relative ability of any particular ethnic group.
Most Black developers that I've worked with are Nigerians. I don't know why that is. You'd think that if there was a racial component to it (and whites were superior to Blacks at ability in coding), U.S. Blacks would be more predominate because of the historical racial admixture. But very few U.S. Blacks are in the field, for whatever reason (and it's a situation companies spend $$$ trying to figure out).
There's a dearth of women in the field, also for reasons I don't understand. The popular sentiment is to blame sexism. I don't see that. Every company I've ever worked for has bent over backwards trying to recruit women and Blacks, and every team I've been on that had either took extra laps to make them successful. It just doesn't seem like an attractive field to women for the most part. I have one friend who's female and a developer. She describes the deadlines and demands as being very stressful, and it causes her emotional distress.
I would expect the Nigerians are the product of selective immigration, like Indians.
Maybe there is some truth to it, but there is also the factor of Indians specifically looking for Indian managers/professors to apply to. All of my friends at uni would specifically search for Indian professors when looking for a research internship.
My manager's(Indian) hiring pipeline is pretty much Indian. And she is not even racist, as she has hired many East Asians, Whites and even a Turkish guy in the past. But she overwhelmingly gets Indian applicants. It kinda funny.
Things must have changed since the late 90s/early 00s. Then the impression prospective grads from India had (based on the experiences of their seniors) was that it was better to seek an American or European advisor in grad school. Indian and Asian advisors were considered ball-busters.
Americans/Europeans are still regarded that way. But Indian profs are more likely to choose them is the impression most people have.
Well yeah, this article is about how radicalized people are getting about Indians. If you're looking for mentors and references, a random white person is 50/50 to sneer at you or smile in your face and then not help. If you lived in Nigeria, would you prefer the white prof or the black one of you're looking for a foot in the door?
Look up companies with Indian CIOs or CTOs.
Then try to find non-Indians in subordinate roles.
Good luck.
Yeah, apparently there's zero white people left in Google, Microsoft and Adobe now 🙄
They don’t hire the codeslop boys to develop new products. They use them for maintenance and support for older projects.
Here are some of the top H-1B sponsoring companies, based on recent data:
Amazon
Microsoft
Google
Meta
Apple
Tata Consultancy Services
Infosys
Accenture
Cognizant
Replacement Theory!
On chinese social media, they actually admire Indians for being united as a community and lament that chinese abroad tend to not stand up for fellow chinese or help them. What is 'nepotism' to the white man is considered 'helping your community' in the orient. Its a virtue not a vice.
They can help their community in India, not in my country. I have nothing against nepotism if it's white people doing it in white countries and Indians doing it in India.
Then outlaw nepotism in your country..lol. Whining about universal human traits will get you nowhere. Indians in US aren't even as nepotistic as filipinos, chinese, mexicans, Italians or russians.
If I wanted to live in India, I'd go to India. Australia is the way it is because it was built by European Australians. Then you look at India and see how that place is being run and naturally you don't want to be taken over by Indians. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but is it wrong?
If you've never been to Australia and seen how amazing this place is, how pristine and peaceful, you won't fully understand how much of a threat mass immigration from broken third world countries is.
Yeah but it's not those groups taking over my city. In my neighbourhood it's Indians buying all the new homes. No one wants to be a minority in their own country and I didn't vote to live in little India.
Fair (as an Indian)
I have zero problem with anything Chinese do to animals.
Because you're a sociopath who hates animals and life.
I donate to GiveWell-recommended charities which maximize the preservation of human life. If I could pull a lever which would cause all mosquitos to go extinct, I would do so.
Good piece. I think the main factor is the one you mentioned in the paragraph beginning, "How do East Asian men fit into this?" East Asians and Indians are similarly accomplished and law-abiding in the US, but the former get a lot less hate online. It is surely because they tend to be more quite and introverted, and therefore don't attract much attention.
You guys are forgetting international politics. Much of the hate comes from Pakistan/Muslims and China. They are manufacturing hate online towards Indians to halt India's,s rise.I personal have uncovered ppl from both countries cosplaying as white Americans while posting racial tirades against Indians. Racist whites a big factor too, but these two other groups are adding fuel to the fire.
Richard will admit that physical features cause people to view Indian personalities differently, but then doesn’t do the same for East Asians. There’s studies that show that non-Asians view East Asian faces as more neotenous. This leads them to see East Asians as more introverted and not fit to be leaders.
The fact of the matter is that if East Asians really were like the stereotypes, it’s hard to imagine that East Asia could have produced kung fu masters, samurai, K-pop singers, and other people that clearly are confident, athletic, and extroverted.
Noah, I think you know why whites — and in particular, white men — don’t hate on East Asians as much.