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Darij Grinberg's avatar

This is a good post making a good point, but there are a few marginal things I'd like to correct (to the extent predictions and what-ifs can be correct).

1. I'm not convinced that Ukraine will be worse off from this war *in the long term* even if it wins. A positive example here is Israel, which is not as different as it may sound. The Ukrainian diaspora is not Israeli- or Armenian-size but significant (with well-known representatives such as Chrystia Freeland). And there are quite a few countries interested in the Ukraine winning on its own terms (first and foremost, most Eastern European countries). So I don't think the West will leave Ukraine out in the cold once the main danger has passed. This is not to say that the EU's role in its further development will be entirely positive... but it'll beat any future determined by Russia.

2. Being a Russian satellite might have looked like an okay proposition for a country 15 years ago, but the world has changed. Belarus has been a dictatorship entirely thanks to Russia, and is now in danger of violent collapse again entirely thanks to Russia. The one time Russia could have helped an ally recently -- Armenia --, Putin decided to stay out as he wasn't fond of their current government. Asian post-Soviet states are now moving under Beijing's umbrella for entirely understandable reasons.

3. I have yet to hear a Western public discussion of nuclear risk from the Ukraine war that isn't missing the fourth cell of the table: What happens if a strong response *prevents* nuclear escalation, while appeasement would make it more probable? Putin has a history of starting foreign conflicts whenever his ratings fall (2008, 2014, 2022). If this is allowed to continue, where will the next shoe drop? There are progressively fewer opportunities. Kazakhstan is now under Chinese protection; Armenia means incurring Erdogan's wrath (which Putin has proved unwilling to do); Belarus might be next, but its moments of weakness won't necessarily fit Putin's schedule. Leaves the Baltics, and Article 5 and all that entails. And of course, there is no way to convince Putin that we would defend the Baltics unless we now defend Ukraine. On the other hand, it seems likely that we will indeed defend the Baltics at least enough to get a real war there. Now that is one truly diabolic case of information asymmetry, guaranteeing the worst-case scenario. The risks of the Ukraine war look nowhere near this bad.

4. Apathy is the "driving" force of contemporary Russian society. I don't think anything can reliably mobilize Russians to *willingly* fight Ukrainians on a large scale. Muscovites care little about Crimea and even less about their own border towns. (I would happily bet against such a mobilization if there was a good way to.) I find it somewhat more likely that continued war crimes will drive a wedge between ethnic Russians on one side and ethnic minorities from the Caucasus and Syberia on the other, since the latter are already taking some of the fall (thanks, Pope Francis!). The whole mix will become even more explosive if Kadyrov visibly grasps for power. Even then, I wouldn't bet on the "race war on the streets of Moscow" scenario that people loved to paint in the early 90s; more likely, a sequence of locally violent revolutions culminating in a less ambitious version of Putin.

5. How much exactly is the global economy suffering from the war? I don't know, but you seem to be straight-up assuming that it's a lot. Again, I'd like to see some data. In the US, inflation started before the war, and appears to be mostly the bill for our war on COVID (lockdowns and stimuli) and various other handouts coming due, no matter what Biden wants us to think. I'm less sure about the rest of the world, but Sri Lanka has shown that being governed by idiots will get you a famine no matter what Putin does or doesn't. Yulia Latynina likes to say that the Ukrainian grain exports lost due to the war are less than the grain utilized for biofuel, and if we are really this worried we might cut down on those subsidies for a couple years perhaps? I'm not sure how good those numbers are (and they don't cover fertilizer), but large parts of the world are not *behaving* in a way I'd expect if a famine was looming.

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משכיל בינה's avatar

A few commentators have observed that this argument boils down to preserving U.S. global hegemony because the 'norm' being enforced is 'only the US has the right to resort to military force to solve inter-state disputes'. But there is another more subtle way this is true, because the 2nd order norm, namely 'only military invasion is an actionable offense' itself enforces U.S. hegemony since the US is just so much better at soft power than anyone else. To put it another way, Russia resorted to war in the first place, because America was cleaning its clock in the subversion war in Ukraine. So, essentially, if you try to compete with the U.S. the soft-power way, you lose, and if you resort to arms, the U.S. will use its soft power advantage to make the world punish you.

Now, you may say 'all's fair in love and war' and I'm not trying to say it's unfair that the U.S. has global hegemony. Might makes right, literally. However, there is a major elephant in the room: it isn't just Ukraine you are sacrificing for US hegemony, it's the whole of Europe, which is on the brink of an inflationary recession that will make the 1930s look mild and which can be avoided only through peace in the Ukraine. So your argument is really 'Europeans should destroy their countries to preserve US global hegemony', which doesn't sound so great. Which is why the public argument is 'something, something brave Ukraine'.

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