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Noah Carl's avatar

This is a good piece, and you are correct that people on the right often make bad arguments when it comes to immigration and crime. One causal channel you don't address is: more immigrants –> more Democratic voters –> Democrats win elections –> less "tough on crime" policies.

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No, Democrats are lying on crime by skewing the reporting numbers or simply not submitting the data at all. You really need to take underreporting into account as many Democrat controlled areas have cut police funding (resulting in fewer people bothering to report crimes because police will not respond in a timely manner or actually solve their cases), elected "Social Justice" prosecutors that avoid charging members of minority demographics (particularly illegal immigrants who would then be subject to deportation), and illegal immigrants themselves are less likely to report crimes for fear of being deported.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/09/19/media_push_misleading_crime_stats_protect_democrat_narrative__151645.html

Likewise, what limited recent data we do have from ICE implies that we are letting in people with significantly higher criminality than our average.

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) checks the background of illegal aliens they have in custody. But, the administration’s letter to Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX) shows that as of July 21, 2024, ICE let 435,719 convicted criminals and 226,847 people with pending criminal charges in their home countries into the U.S.

Of those cleared by ICE, 13,099 have convictions for homicide, and another 1,845 were facing criminal charges. Some 9,461 have convictions for sex offenses (not including assault or commercialized sex), and 2,659 face pending charges. The convictions include other crimes such as assault (62,231), robbery (10,031), sexual assault (15,811), weapons offenses (13,423), and dangerous drugs (56,533).

About 7.4 million noncitizens are in the “national docket data,” so 662,776 is 9% of the total, and if one extrapolates the numbers to the homicide rate in this country, it strongly indicates that the government is letting migrants into this country who commit murder at a rate 50% higher than the rest of the U.S. population.

And these numbers clearly underestimate the crime rate of these noncitizens. The noncitizens in the “national docket data” turned themselves in to border agents for processing or were caught. Those who don’t turn themselves in are obviously far more likely to have something to hide from those doing the processing, so-called “gotaways,” who are observed illegally entering the U.S. but not caught or turned back.

These figures coincide with other data from the Arizona prison system and show illegal aliens commit crime at much higher rates than Americans or legal immigrants.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/10/01/the_new_data_on_migrant_crime_151712.html

Incidentally, when Trump talks about specific examples of illegal aliens doing gruesomely horrific things to people, he's usually referencing MS13, which his administration made a point of addressing. MS-13 has mottos consistent with its rules, beliefs, expectations and reputation, including the Spanish “mata, viola, controla,” which translates to “kill, rape, control.” They're notorious for the fact that their initiation for new members requires them to kill someone.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/mara-salvatrucha-deadliest-street-gang-america#:~:text=This%20research%20paper%20addresses%20Mara,exponentially%20into%20the%20United%20States.

https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2016/04/21/inside-ms-13-initiation-rituals-and-internal-feuds/

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