Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Heather Oleson's avatar

This article hits me really hard right now. My dad is in his late 70s and has Parkinson's, and my mom is in her mid 70s and has Alzheimer's. Both, as you know, are neurodegenerative diseases that will only get worse and worse over time. Both parents require a lot of care right now, and it's eating up a lot of resources and time on the part of both my brother, his family, and myself.

My dad has signed a bunch of end of life documents, indicating that he doesn't want any lifesaving or life prolonging interventions. He's already so weak that his balance is unstable, which led to a fall last week and he broke 4 ribs. He can still feed himself, but barely because he's too weak to lift a regular fork (has to use a plastic one). He has to have help to get on the toilet.

My mom's short term memory is basically gone at this point, and she is constantly asking about her folks and where they are (they've been dead for over 40 years), and when you tell her this, she asks why no one told her, then 2 minutes later asks the same question again (and over and over) You can't reason with her, you can't argue with her, and you can't correct her recollection of anything really because she doesn't remember and therefore can't make mental connections. Sometimes she remembers her husband, sometimes she claims she's never been married, sometimes I think she thinks he's her father. At this point she still remembers me, but I know that day is coming too. We can't leave her alone anymore because she will literally decide she wants to go "home" (from the house that she's lived in for the past 15 years) and walk down the driveway and down the road. There is no cure, and this will only get worse and worse, forcing us to eventually put her into a memory care facility. If you've never visited a nursing home or memory care facility, you really should just to get a sense of how sad and depressing those places are (in addition to expensive).

I have owned animals and horses for many years. and I will say that we would never subject an animal to living the kind of life the elderly have to endure. I've defended friends and clients who've put their horses down upon retirement or some sort of major injury that would've left them pasture sound but basically unusable. I do know a client who retired a horse at age 20, then proceeded to fund that horse's retirement in a pasture for the next 20 years to the tune of $400/month, time and funds that could've been spent on another, younger horse or pretty much anything else.

Anyway, there are no easy answers here. I do agree with Richard though, that I would not want to be such a burden on my family at the end of life and I think euthanasia should be a more socially acceptable option.

Expand full comment
Person Online's avatar

The young healthy Dutch woman killing herself is the best argument against euthanasia. Young healthy people should not be killing themselves, period. To not only allow that they do so, but to even actively approve of and assist in the suicide, is surely a sign of a deeply sick society and culture. If you want euthanasia for old people who are suffering, you should be arguing as vehemently as possible against letting anyone else who isn't severely ill access it, because seeing young healthy people using it to kill themselves is going to turn people off of the idea really fast.

Likewise, the concern with telling people to kill themselves so that they won't be a burden is what happens when this shifts to become the standard. You can portray it as noble for someone to kill themselves for this reason in a culture which is otherwise telling them to live, sure. What about the opposite situation? If everyone adopted your view, the social norm would quickly change such that people are expected to kill themselves at a certain point, and those who desire to live may face social sanction for daring to "be a burden."

You say that it's bad for the state to have a say in this, but the state must always have a say in matters of literal life and death. What kind of policies will the state adopt with the shifting of euthanasia into common practice for the elderly? Will the government decide that perhaps people should lose all of their benefits, such as social security, at a certain point, under the logic that they are now enough of a burden that they should just kill themselves? Hopefully nothing that drastic, but I would expect 100% that the government would begin looking for ways to encourage the elderly to hurry up and die and stop costing the taxpayer so much money.

As with abortion, I think you are leaning too heavily into simply insulting the other side, and not doing enough to engage with their actual concerns.

Expand full comment
177 more comments...

No posts