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I also thought this was an amazing book. I agree that Henrich only partially addressed the East Asian question, but in my humble opinion I think he was on the right track, even if he didn't adequately explain it. I'm East Asian btw.

I think the West's earlier encounters with non-East Asian races made it clear that the West's IQ was superior and so it was concluded that it was because of IQ that the West was so successful. It's only been in the last few decades that there's been a realization that East Asian IQ is actually higher than Western IQ. This has unnerved a lot of people as IQ/intelligence has been associated with greater success in the minds of many. This has led to a lot of copium: East Asians are only testing the smartest, are cheating on the IQ test, not as creative, less variance in IQ distribution, etc. The fact is that the West triumphed over the East and I think Henrich does a masterful job of explaining the key factor why the West ended up triumphing over the East despite having a marginally lower IQ.

East Asians are the race most similar to Westerns, culturally if not genetically. There is not much cousin marriage/incest. East Asians are able to develop complex institutions based on meritocracy rather than kinship. With such similarities, a lot of scholars have wondered why the Industrial Revolution started in the western-most tip of the Eurasian landmass rather than the eastern-most tip, especially when East Asia was more advanced for most of history. I believe the reason is because Westerners were more individualistic. This greater individualism led to the development of more heterodox ideas, which due to greater labour mobility and openness to heterodox ideas spread the best and most innovative ideas throughout society and allowed for the West to rapidly advance technologically. The end result of this was that tens of thousand of Westerners with advanced military technology had more force projection than empires of tens of millions of people.

So I think Henrich was right that Westerners are uniquely individualistic which is why they have created the most successful societies ever, but I think his Marriage and Family Plan (MFP) explanation isn't the complete picture for why Westerners are so individualistic, particularly relative to East Asians.

One of the most glaring differences between the structures of Western and East Asian societies has been the unified societies in East Asia versus the many small states in Europe. Through random happenstance, Europe was never able to re-unify after the Roman Empire although attempts were made (Charlemagne - Holy Roman Empire, Napoleon - Continental System). Conversely, despite China sometimes being invaded, undergoing civil wars, and breaking up into warring states, again through random happenstance, it has always been able to re-unify. (There's probably some geographic/resource reason for the difference in trajectories of history in Europe and East Asia). A strong central state generally means safety from foreign invasion and help when there are floods/droughts/plagues, but it generally represses creativity. In Europe instead you've got these thousands of small duchies and kingdoms. As an East Asian, it sounds ridiculous to me that some of these kingdoms are small enough that you can travel by horse from one end to the other in a day, but they somehow survived for hundreds of years without some bigger neighbour swallowing them up lol. But anyways, because in Europe you've got these thousands of kingdoms, you've got thousands of different systems and the best ones will flourish and the poor ones will fade out. There's also competition and an arms-race between these thousands of kingdoms, which further incentivizes rapid technological development. These are a much better set of circumstances for individualism to flourish.

So I think the cultural differences between Westerners and the rest of the world are what have allowed them to achieve such success. (It also just so happens to be a more palatable explanation than IQ differences between races, which is why Henrich got poached from UBC to Harvard for his work instead of getting cancelled). Vis-a-vis non-East Asians these differences were due to the MFP of Westerners. East Asians generally had the MFP as well (although not from the church of course), but due to largely living in massive unified states were more collectivist versus Westerners who became more individualistic. (I think it would be an interesting study to see if Westerners were more collectivistic during the Roman Empire, and became more individualistic since then).

This also ties in with a lot of the insights you've recently come to Richard. For example, China being more collectivistic than the West by pursuing a zero-Covid policy. The collectivism also explains lower crime and greater social stability. I also believe the collectivism explains the lower fertility seen in East Asian populations.

Incidentally, I think the zero Covid policy is an unforced error but not fatal, so I wouldn't be so quick to write off East Asia yet haha. It seems to me that the modern world increasingly favours complex large-scale resource mobilization and effective state capacity, which I believe East Asia does better (for example, the chip war going on right now is basically a battle of industrial policy between China and the US), and East Asia has rightfully adopted the cultural values that made the West successful, so in my mind it still remains an open question of whether Eastern or Western society will be favoured to prosper most over the next century.

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James Miller's avatar

Some high members of the church might have known about the harm of incest to children because of their knowledge of animal breeding.

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