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Yes, I used to think I was a very smart person, smartest in most rooms I entered. I now realize I had never entered any really smart rooms. I now say publicly and often that Scott Alexander is the smartest person I have ever encountered as well as one the best explainers--and his commenters are often nearly that smart and persuasive as well. It has been humbling to recognize what a truly smart person looks like . . . but also a great blessing.

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Hear, hear.

It's worth emphasizing two things, one about Scott and one about Lumina:

1. "Critique" is in a sense too strong a word for my thoughts on Scott. I think he's chosen a role that suits him and does incredibly good work in that role; my interest in writing that was in sketching out why it strikes me as a consciously chosen role and the tradeoff and sense of wistfulness inherent in it. Standing above the fray has benefits, but it also means he started a crescendo in ~2014 in a symphony he has of yet not precisely finished. "Takes Scott Alexander seriously" is the common thread among the great majority of thinkers I enjoy and my own intellectual journey was both heavily within communities his work spawned and heavily inspired by his work; however he chooses to take his path, I'm very glad he's taking it.

2. On Lumina in particular, while I have sounded my own excitement as well (https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1778632308334993484) I do want to pair it with a note of caution, inspired in part by a mutual friend. The people taking it right now are the clinical trials, and trials do exist for a reason. Many things that sound plausible and good in vacuums do not work in vacuums, and the notes I'm hearing from people with reason to know are basically "We'll see."

My current model is this:

The company is good and well-intentioned. They found something cool and ignored and figured it would be worth giving a serious shot at.

Scott, and the others who have promoted it, are good and well-intentioned. Everyone's excited about the magic mouth bacteria that make people not have cavities.

Lumina has been the subject of an incredibly effective advertising blitz tailored perfectly to appeal to people in this general Sphere.

Clinical trials exist for reasons beyond sheer bureaucratic tedium. There are many unknowns remaining.

Putting these all together, my current impression is that it's a low-cost, high-potential-upside intervention on an individual level that the company is doing a service in providing, but I'm wary of aiding a consensus impression that it's a miracle product while hard data remains so sparse. It's cool, it's fun, I'm hyped like everyone else, but I don't want everyone to get ahead of the evidence for pure trust-network reasons.

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