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GenXSimp's avatar

I have very similar feelings about Unions. In arguing against them I often think about their historical contingency. Like if you were starting today, without the history of unions would these be the best tools for equalizing the power of labor vs capital. The answer is almost certainly no.

So I think we need to offer a trade. No unions, but a few programs that help labor be more powerful. We get no fault unemployment insurance. you can quit your job and based on how much time you've worked you get unemployment. Second the governement will pay for you to move, up to 3 times as long as it's to a place with more opportunity. Third sometype of systemization of retirement and health benefits accross all employers. You set up your 401k, and just give you employer an account number like direct deposit, health has to be similar, no changes with jobs.

If just say unions are immoral, which they are, but don't deal with the power imbalance, rational folks will stick with the unions.

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A rare miss from Richard here but a large one.

At macro level you just won’t find any theoretical or empirical support for unions making a big difference to living standards.

I work in a large organisation in Europe and I’d say about 2/3 of my colleagues are union members. Non-membership is not a big deal, and membership is a trivial 0.5% of salary. I’m a member and I don’t have any interest in picketing or striking nor does anyone but a small minority. I am interested in my own working conditions, however, which align pretty closely with the 95% of colleagues who like me will never be senior managers. Membership gives me an outlet to push for utterly tedious things like parking spaces and work-from-home rights, etc. I keep union leadership appraised of my gripes, which get an outsize weight as most union members don’t bother to complain. I’ve in the past volunteered on union committees - again tedious work but one that gave me an insight into how the organisation works in a way that has helped my career progression.

If there wasn’t a union someone would in fact invent one or something very similar like an elected workers’ council. Management likes having a union there (at least in theory) as they can at least claim they have consulted on matters.

Overall Richard just overstates the impact of unions. They’re just another NGO and have a pretty minimal impact on the world.

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