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There are a couple of problems with being too free-market (I'm not going to argue for a complete command economy, that won't work and we're more likely to wind up as Russia or Mexico than China lacking their long history of centralized state control).

1. Completely free markets create all sorts of negative externalities. I'd encourage you to read up on the Gilded Age. Even if a lot more good things like the USA becoming an industrial super power happened in that time period than people want to admit, you still had companies selling tainted meat and dangerous consumer products and kids working 12-hour shifts and not going to school (back when they actually learned something there). A similar thing may be happening now with social media and porn making the kids stop dating, though obviously the harms are much less. You need to understand why the transition from the Gilded Age to the Progressive Era occurred, even if you think it was ultimately a bad thing. People were reacting to something.

2. Completely free markets also create massive inequality. Even if the country is better off in the aggregate, you generate a lot of desperate poor people. Even if you can do some sort of calculation they're better off in consumer products, if they have to work twice as long and can't start families they are going to be upset. Humans are also social animals and very sensitive to status, so the inequality pisses them off even if the poor are better off in an absolute sense (which given increasing work hours and housing and healthcare prices I am not sure they are).

3. Related to 1., deregulation of the financial industry produced a huge recession that lasted for years (financial crashes tend to do that). You can see why young people might be wary of letting the businessmen do what they want. To do the American history example thing again, a similar thing caused the Great Depression, and only government intervention kept it from getting much worse (though whether it would have been as bad as the Depression is anyone's guess).

4. Healthcare in particular is super expensive and not so great at the low and middle ends (the rich do pretty well) at least in part because it's free market in addition to being regulated. All the European and East Asian markets have more regulation, often with the government being the single provider or payer, and lower costs--our system is insanely expensive.

So for all these reasons I think a shift away from free markets is inevitable and probably necessary. I'm not saying we should turn into China, and I'm not even saying we should go all the way to Sweden--we don't have the homogeneity for that, as you are one of the few pundits able to understand. But going back to, say, the 1950s in terms of regulation level might be a goal. Plus single payer. If you can get that done costs will fall considerably.

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I found this a good distillation of what seem to be emerging fissures in the Republican party, thanks. Maybe the story is, if the existing donor class of a party can't hold its nose and instead bows out, it creates a vacuum, an opportunity for someone else to make a play for that slot. Which becomes mostly a return to business as usual, where donors check the excesses of the voting members, in exchange for some sector-specific concessions or broader tax breaks.

The three main (somewhat at odds) camps identified on the right in The Right Nation by Micklethwait and Wooldridge were God, money, and security. You could see Trumpism is a simplifying scalar across all of these. God means conservative justices then we're done. Security means border security then we're done.

Money is the most unsettled. Ryan got tax simplification, but Trump seemed agnostic on tax structure beyond preferring his were lower. Trump was specifically pro steel, maybe because that plays well on the stump, maybe because of money from Zekelman. (That made him anti-steel-product-manufacturers of course. But in general steel recognized the vacuum and took advantage of it.) Trump's money pillar will be less libertarian, and more protectionist pro-business, maybe primarily for those who donate. For the working class, maybe he's targeting the non-union middle class service worker. Appeals to service workers (outside of Nevada primaries) are weirdly missing from the US relative to appeals to manufacturing workers when you look at the size of sectors:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/employment-by-economic-sector

One of the things that was telling in AOC's recent discussion of the logistics of switching candidates is how she let slip how critical it was to secure early union endorsement for the system to function at all. Probably something well known but not talked about is how distortative union concessions are to the democratic process, despite a significant majority of workers in the US being non-union.

The tech right could take some novel populist stabs here... like outlawing GDPR compliance for websites viewed in the US, which might fracture the internet, but maybe for the better, setting limits on extraterritorial jurisdiction of the EU, which mostly finds ways to hobble and punitively tax the US tech sector because it can't compete.

I think your tweet on the wealth of US workers relative to Europe raises a good point. Though the correlational coefficient with state earnings adjusted for regional cost of living and Republican governors and for right-to-work status are both slightly negative. The correlational coefficient of percent union affiliation and earnings is moderately positive. I don't think this is causation, but it's the fact US states are dominated by different conditions unrelated to policy.

This is a bit like when Krugman dedicated a couple articles to how Kansas had ruined its economy with tax cuts then illustrated this by comparing Kansas to the sister state of... California. If you want to tell a story about economic prosperity in America you have all these non-economic lotteries some states won, like New York and Connecticut having finance, Texas and California and some northern rural states having energy, or California having Hollywood and tech. Having access to a coast and not being in the South seem like big factors unrelated to policy (for policies after 1865 anyway).

All parties have a donor class and a rank and file, and they all have natural tensions and disagreements. Your rank and file are going to be a combo of low information voters and some overzealous extremist fringe no matter which party you're in. I'm moderately bullish for the outcomes of a tech donor class playing the role of designated driver for either party, relative to the alternatives, despite the sometimes zany policy positions. But mainly because there aren't good high-intelligence alternatives to guide/filter policy on either side. Absent some strict and explicit meritocracy for policymakers, this seems like the closest we get to inching that direction.

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