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Unset's avatar
Jan 9Edited

"This doesn’t mean that Somalis don’t commit fraud; but for the most part left-leaning elite institutions like the NYT and the Biden administration have given the issue about the level of attention it deserves"

I didn't see a word about it in the NYT until the City Journal reporting. Multibillion dollar fraud that the state of Minnesota refused to notice for race reasons is a pretty big deal

Furthermore, the idea that respectable outlets never start with a narrative and then go looking for evidence is laughable. That is Nikole Hannah Jones' whole Pulitzer Prize winning career

Unset's avatar

Correct, ten days after the City Journal article which initiated the news cycle:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-welfare-fraud-somalia-al-shabaab

Rufo describes it below. Richard seems strangely unaware of all this, or, even worse, chose to omit all of this relevant context:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/minnesota-somali-fraud-al-shabaab-terrorists-immigration-welfare

>>The meta-story—how a news item weaves its way through public discourse—is also worth considering. When we published the story, it quickly dominated the conversation on conservative social media. It filtered upward to primetime Fox News, where, on Laura Ingraham’s program, I summarized the piece and called on President Trump to revoke Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for all Somalis in Minnesota.

>>Within hours, the president, who had been following the story, announced that he would revoke TPS for all Somali recipients. Then, over the Thanksgiving holiday, Trump raised the stakes with a blistering social media tirade that ripped into Somali fraudsters, accused Minnesota governor Tim Walz of mental deficiencies, and promised to stop all asylum cases and immigration from the Third World. This sequence of events turned the Minnesota fraud into the debate of the moment.

>>The next step in the process is for the liberal media to respond. Right on cue, CBS News published a story misrepresenting our report and “debunking” that misrepresentation—a claim that it eventually retracted under pressure. The New York Times did somewhat better, publishing a long feature on the Somali fraud, confirming key details, and opening the floodgates for discourse on the center-left. The spotlight thus turned to Governor Walz, who was at the helm when Somali thieves robbed Minnesota of billions.

>>On the surface, the Times story was an acknowledgment that this was a real scandal that the liberal press had missed. But the paper did not address the underlying narrative about why the fraud happened. Yes, the story is about a criminal enterprise, but it runs deeper than that. The story has touched a nerve because it busts liberal myths about immigration, anti-racism, and the welfare state.

DJ's avatar

So an independent investigator uncovered something and the NYT followed up on it. Is your argument that therefore Nick Shirley is right?

Also, do you live in Minnesota? The Minnesota press started covering this in 2024, and the Biden DOJ prosecuted it.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2024/07/17/a-somali-american-investigator-heres-why-youre-hearing-so-much-about-fraud-in-my-community/

Ir seems like your core complaint is that the NYT didn't make a big deal about it on the schedule you prefer.

Unset's avatar

My point was that the NYT reluctantly took up the story only after they couldn't ignore it any further. City Journal, which is a respected right-of-center publication, is what kicked off the news cycle. It was not national news before that.

DJ's avatar

Sure, but LOTs of things aren't national news until someone decides to make an issue of it. As I pointed out, the people most affected are in Minnesota. A local nonprofit news organization covered it in 2024, and the Biden DOJ got 47 indictments and several convictions *years* before it was covered by City Journal.

And none of this means Nick Shirley is a legitimate journalist.

Again, you seem angry that the NYT -- who I suspect you don't even read -- didn't cover it on your schedule.

In June, Trump's DOJ indicted a bunch of Russian medicare scammers. The NYT covered it, probably because the scammers were based in New York. Did they pass your criteria for acceptable reporting?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/27/nyregion/us-medicare-fraud-charges.html

Unset's avatar

I fully agree that lots of things aren't national news until someone decides to make an issue of it. That was part of my point.

I have read the NYT every day for thirty years or more. They were forced to concede implicitly that this was a big story worthy of national coverage that they missed, as Rufo noted. They would not have covered it on any schedule if they hadn't been forced to.

Josh Appel's avatar

Ya I'm not sure why Hannania is just pretending there was a conclusion in mind first and then reporting. The whole point is that reporting happened in City Journal and then other places started reporting and then Shirley went into the street with that assumption in mind. I agree that Shirley isn't a journalist and had flawed methodology but it's not like he came up with Pizzagate out of thin air for example and then went to the store to investigate.

Erik Nordheim's avatar

Nobody sane on Team Blue has a problem locking up criminals. Nobody sane on Team Red supports race science. Can we find countless examples of loonies/extremists such as Nikole Hannah Jones? Absolutely. You know that, I know that and you know that I know that. Everyone can see right through the strawman nonsense on both sides but nobody important can set aside their team affiliation to have an honest conversation across the aisle. Any politician or big influencer who does on Team Red is labeled a RINO and canceled. Any politician or big influencer who does on Team Blue is labeled Corporate and canceled. That’s how I feel about the modern shitshow anyway. End rant.

Grouchy's avatar

Richard Hanania believes in race science.

Will I Am's avatar

I thought he repudiated it. But I suppose it is debatable.

Heshy's avatar

I haven’t watched his video and don’t have a horse in this race, but I’m not sure your critique makes sense. If there’s a significant percentage of the Somali community in Minnesota committing fraud (which Rufo and others have proven to be the case, with the many thousands of fraudulent autism cases), then it’s very easy for them to coordinate and volunteer their children to show up in fake daycares to disprove Nick Shirley and the increased scrutiny.

If I’m staffing a daycare and a guy comes over to me and asks to enroll his child, I would have forms ready. (I might also tell him I’m happy to show him the daycare if he shuts his camera off.) So you haven’t proven that Shirley got it wrong.

Epzilon's avatar

“I haven’t watched his video and don’t have a horse in this race” then proceed to talk about the horse you have in this race. Also what is the “significant percentage of the Somali community” you think you are implicating, 10%? Nick Shirleys journalism was dishonest, creepy and above all else just unintelligent. It quite literally proved nothing, and you’re a goober for defending it without having any of the necessary context.

Heshy's avatar

Read Rufo’s piece.

Hazard Stevens's avatar

fairly certain that daycares as a matter of safety do not show the children they are supervising to random unrelated men that roll up demanding to see them. think for a second about why that might be

Occam’s Machete's avatar

“This doesn’t mean that Somalis don’t commit fraud; but for the most part left-leaning elite institutions like the NYT and the Biden administration have given the issue about the level of attention it deserves, up to and including criminal indictments.”

Never go full libtard.

Shame that Walz, such a great specimen of human capital, decided to resign merely over rightwing agitprop. Definitely Minnesota progressives were going to enforce the law against “the people that built Minnesota.” Clearly, progressives nationwide can be trusted to root out welfare fraud. They have all that human capital.

Occam’s Machete's avatar

You are correct. He ended his campaign.

JS's avatar

Yes, Nick Shirley is an immature clown. But the fact that the media has become not journalists but gatekeepers - deciding which stories to boost and which to ignore - is what allows guys like him to have an impact. The story is real, and you, Richard, are becoming a clown yourself for denying it, and for acting like the media is still doing a good job.

I'm glad I stopped subscribing. While many of your articles are quite good, posts like these show a discomfort with your beliefs. So there are few - or no - conservative intellectuals? What does that have to do with you? Be the only one then. There are plenty of centrist intellectuals like your buddy Rob Henderson, or Niall Ferguson, or dozens of others whom you seem to have more in common with than actual conservatives. So why keep harping on it? It seems your identity is all wrapped up in "being an intellectual," and that's just childish. As is, increasingly, much of your writing.

Fritz Dahmus's avatar

This is why I don't subscribe. What a petty, jealous little man you are.

This isn't about Nick Shirley. It should be a story about YouTube, and Joe Rogan style podcasts [and X as the vehicle of transmission]. How these outlets....as far away from old fashion journalism as they are...is where very large numbers of commoners get their information and news. They then go elsewhere when left and right legacy style media picks it up. But it is always [these days] the internet that hits most people. Don't know if you heard.....but people don't rust the lying old fashion legacy media......that includes Fox, etc...

You didn't notice, Richard Hanania, because your nose is stuck up your ass....but Congressman Jason Lewis CD-2 Minnesota on the floor of Congress in 2019 warned us about these kinds of frauds in Minnesota. Nobody gave a shit. Local Minneapolis Channel 9, a Fox affiliate had stories on these kinds of frauds back in 2009. Nobody gave a shit. Minnesota outlets alphanewsmn.com, americanexperiment.org, and www.powerlineblog.com have been writing about this since 2020. Nobody gave a shit. Why??? Because nobody reads that stuff or listens to that stuff [because they are small and rely on donations to survive [I read them all the fucking time....and never read the NY Times, listen to Fox, etc....except after the little guys do the work].....just like nobody is going to read the dribble you write.

Nick Shirley did the country a massive service......by opening this story up...to the masses. And you are to petty and jealous and arrogant to understand what the real story is.

Go back to academia...where you belong.

Spencer's avatar

Shirley didn’t do any substantive investigative work—his account simply got boosted. Much was already known before Shirley. He was also factually incorrect. You seem to have completely missed Hanania’s point, viz. that “citizen journalists” who are dumb/sloppy/unethical rarely advance understanding.

MCMMan's avatar

Low human capital defending low human capital lol

Evan's avatar

You......Type..............Like....................An..............................Idiot

Fritz Dahmus's avatar

Fuck…….you……..

The Far Writer…'s avatar

Well said! This lefty idiot needs to wind his heck in!

Andrew Miller's avatar

Kudos to Nick Shirley for exposing massive fraud in Minnesota. Anybody who actually takes the time to watch it will see how obvious the fraud is. Funny the day AFTER this story broke all of a sudden children show up at these daycare centers. Amazing! Even though the locals were saying they've never seen children there before. I wish the "real" investigative journalists could do as well as this kid in exposing fraud. Anytime real fraud is exposed, like DOGE did, they do all they can to discredit it and debunk it, but they can't legitimately deny it.

Spencer's avatar

How much “fraud” did DOGE uncover?

Andrew Miller's avatar

Im sure the number is still increasing but at least in hundreds of billions just through USAID.

Spencer's avatar

I don’t think DOGE achieved anything close to those numbers. USAID by itself did not have a budget remotely that high.

Andrew Miller's avatar

USAID's annual budget is about 35-45 billion. Its been around for decades. Even its founding was shady. A large portion of it was abused.

Ur Best Friend's avatar

He didn’t expose anything. The fraud was already exposed, and prosecuted, by the Biden administration. There is no ‘fraud’ in the video. There’s a creepy kid and a washed up boomer demanding to film children at establishments where that is not allowed, by state law. It was filmed during Christmas break, when most are home and not dropping their kids at daycare.

Carter Peterson's avatar

Unfortunately your comment section is full of these people too 🤣

Hit the nail on the head when you said that idiots focus on the small picture. Reminiscent of Trump BRINGING ORDER to US Cities by blowing millions of dollars on bringing in the national guard. The moment those troops leave it will be back to the way it was before, no long-term solutions, just emotions.

Ebenezer's avatar

If Hanania's commenters are idiots, it should be very easy to reply and refute the points they are making. Mysteriously, this is not being done.

Carter Peterson's avatar

Can't think of a worst use of my time, honestly.

Ebenezer's avatar

"I totally have a girlfriend. She just goes to another school."

The Far Writer…'s avatar

Nick is pointing out the bloody obvious facts about the total exploitation of America and Europe by the Muslim immigrants fleecing the tax payer for billions while harming society and making it an unsafe place. America gives them everything….they only give hell back!!!!!

DJ's avatar
Jan 9Edited

Any thoughts on the Russians who got caught in June? Were those Muslims too?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/27/nyregion/us-medicare-fraud-charges.html

Fraud is bad and should be investigated and prosecuted -- which happened to both the Russian fraud and Somali fraud --but I don't see the point of dragging religion into it.

The Far Writer…'s avatar

I think you’re obfuscating away from the point! There is a consistent theme of Islam that’s brought its mass corruption across the west. So much fraud is funding the radicals and funnelling money back to the top. Did any of the people in question look Russian to you and are the people of Russia ideologically primed to be the “last and FINAL” religion and shagging little kids!? Wake up and ask a serious question….left wing thinking always moves the question away from the glaringly obvious in defence of people who have no interest in being your friend or will thank you for justifying their behaviour. They only want to exploit your inclusivity and diversity principles that are killing the west and harming women and children. Russia is an ally of Iran, the most Radical Islamic nation in the world and they too have a vested interest in supporting terror so in answer to your question….that’s beside the point. We have a massive Muslim Pakistani rape gang problem in the UK because their ideology allows it, encourages it and permits them to lie about it….that doesn’t mean they’re aren’t other foreign criminals exploiting us too. When Hitler invaded Poland did we say let’s ignore that because there’s a few Russians there too? I don’t understand how you people think. Facts are facts regardless of other facts!!!!

DJ's avatar

"We" have a problem in the UK? Bro, I live in America. The UK is not my concern.

I'm no fan of Islam (or fraud), but the messaging on this whole story has been "Somalis are all third world muslim criminals and should be kicked out" and JD Vance and Trump have both said we have a "Somali problem."

It's no different from 100 years ago, except then it was Italians and the mafia.

And in the last 12 months there was another massive fraud perpetrated by Russians. Seems odd that JD Vance and Trump don't talk about the "Russian problem."

The Far Writer…'s avatar

I don’t think it’s

The Far Writer…'s avatar

I don’t think it’s because they’re ignoring the story about the Russians, I think it’s more pointing towards the damage mass migration has done to the west. I don’t think we have the same issue with mass migration from Russia. I respect your opinion but I’m not your enemy mate…I’m a uk citizen and I happen to think America is my concern. We’re historically the closest ally’s so that makes you my freind…and friends stand shoulder to shoulder. Trump is standing against stupid globalist politicians that are attempting to create a superstate Europe while dismantling individual culture, sovereignty and taking us deeper into the control of the deep state. Loath or love Trump but he’s doing everything right compared to Starmer who’s selling us down the river in favour of so called “foreign nationals”!

Gaston's avatar

Idk, this seems to be a case of nitpicking little things he got wrong instead of focusing on the real issue; the very real fraud. I think you're letting your understandable disgust for the right-wing ecosystem get the better of you and you're refusing to look at the evidence of fraud.

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Gaston's avatar

Nothing wrong with taking a local issue and making it well known to the whole country though

True European's avatar

The average black American costs their government 900k over their lifetime, Hispanics 700k. Somalis were given licence to take that quite a bit further.

Epzilon's avatar

Mind you Nick was also followed around by his security of unmarked masked fat white guys. At no point does he disclose this, but the moron forgot to cut them out of his video fully. You can see them at the 28-29 minute mark in the background of his video while he was walking around the plaza. The lady screaming ice outside now makes perfect sense, and it also makes sense that none of the Somalis wanted to talk to him. This moron with a camera and a sloppy loose hoodie, the old guy stammering with his pages of “evidence” (that were never published btw), and masked goons standing 6 feet away out of camera shot come to your business outside of service hours and demand to see the children or the insurance rates. What a joke.

Navi Hehar's avatar

Can't agree with you on this one. Not sure if you have kids , but anyone with children in daycare can tell you Shirley exposed very probable fraud. And the Minnesota Star followup was a joke: the now infamous "Children Learing Center" quickly hired families to bring their children to the site the following week, and subsequently closed because it was an obvious fraud. No daycare operates 2p to 10p: a) that doesn't align with anyone working a night shift, b) the time window (8hrs) is too short to be of value to customers or to run a profitable daycare.

The fraud is simple and many in Minnesota know how it works: you sign your kids up for daycare, take care of them at home yourself (large number of families do not have a working mother and/or have grandparents at home), and get a kick back from the daycare provider. It is community organized theft. And it is replicated in multiple states (like Ohio).

He clearly exposed behavior that utterly contradicts the idea of a real daycare.

Kira's avatar

Apropos of nothing, has anyone else noticed that the right-wing bot farms seem to have redirected their attention to Substack comments lately?

Russian Nazi's avatar

Hardly "lately." "Free speech" Substack has always let outrage-farmers run wild. There's some of this from "the other side," but the scope and scale pale in comparison to the shit pumped out by magaworld and their Russian teachers (add Chinese, Iranian, NK). Pushing misinformation and disinformation and stoking division and rage. The only thing(s) Russians still do well.

Randomize12345's avatar

There is a good, genuinely investigative article by the right-leaning journalist Armin Rosen about fraud in Minnesota in the magazine County Highway.

DJ's avatar

The comments on the UnHerd article show the readership a "heterodox" publication attracts.

Alexander Kurz's avatar

Another article that blames the right for "low human capital". But how convincing is this? Thiel, Vance, Musk, Miller ... I like to think that they are a step ahead of everybody else. What would happen to your analysis, if you assumed that the stupidity you describe is part of the strategy of the right?