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Anonymous Dude's avatar

First of all, your AI picture made me laugh out loud.

"Going abroad and dying for Ukraine would indicate physical courage, broad horizons, and a generosity of spirit."

So, uh, you're enlisting, right? ;)

I'm sympathetic to Ukraine over Russia as well, but I don't think you're going to get Americans to give them much more. People tend to get 'war fatigue' after a while, which you saw with many of our other wars--WW1, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq II. Of course there are exceptions--the Civil War was in our backyard, and Hitler was a more convincingly dangerous threat than Putin. Seriously, I think the country's developed a serious exhaustion with war. A lot of blue-collar people watched their kids go off to war and come back dead or with nasty injuries, including a lot of brain injuries that made them seriously messed up behaviorally. (There's some new evidence this is a result of brain damage from heavy ordnance explosions rather than any weakness of character.) I don't think you're going to get anyone to send their kids over, least of all with a draft. I get the 'external enemies remove a lot of the internal fighting' bit, but I don't think that's an option for the USA here. War isn't going to be useful as a uniting factor unless the USA is genuinely threatened, and we haven't seen Putin invade Poland, much less Pennsylvania.

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Carl's avatar

I think you underestimate the cost to America of the debacles in Afghanistan and Iraq. The destruction and chaos brought to those countries and their neighbors was immense. We are still suffering the political and economic fallout of those wars, as well as, of course, the loss of our own soldiers lives. Those wars caused a lot of the shame and self doubt underlying both the isolationism and wokeism in our politics today. They also provided a major opening for China to push its model of non-interventionism.

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