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Bona fides for Taiwan v PRC:

Writing this from my office in the building next to the political HQ building for the DPP, a block away from the Legislative Yuan (ie Congress). I've been resident here for 14 years, and started teams in the PRC during the 2000s. Full-time software company founder of one of the more popular services in Taiwan (with direct gov't investment from the Taiwan National Development Fund), but part-timer at INDSR (https://indsr.org.tw/en/index) for Cyberdefense (where retiring SecDefs go when they get out of uniform). A few of us developers with white-hat skills have hosted cyber wargaming red-blue exercises with the Taiwan MND. Also, my little sis runs the engineering teams at HII that builds new carriers and does RCOH's. Bottom line: I actually have to maintain business continuity readiness specifically in the various PLA aggression scenarios.

A major internet attack with island-wide effects within the next 1 year: 50%

A major internet attack with island-wide effects within the next 3 years: 70%

A blockade attempt within the next 1 year: 40%

A blockade attempt within the next 3 years: 60%

100+ missiles land on Formosa proper within the next 1 year: 20%

100+ missiles land on Formosa proper within the next 3 years: 40%

The primary differences for my estimates for 1 vs 3 years:

- preparedness of the missile corps within the "Rocket Force" is not ready yet to sustain operations

- naval scale, particularly #subs, will not be large enough to sustain a 5000-6000 mile-long double perimeter on from north to east to southern Taiwan, along with a perimeter through the Bashi strait and up the west coast.

No one can know Xi's mind, only read the actions the PRC takes. If you saw the sorties and medium-scale practice blockading every few weeks/months with your own eyes, the reality of the preparation is more clear. Also, the volume of hacks against SOEs and gov't in Taiwan is already gigantic, at least an order of magnitude larger than the total organic internet traffic - but continuing to grow.

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Agree with a lot of this, particularly the point around perceptions of the situation changing over time playing a key role - can see this in both outbreak of WW2 (US oil embargo on Japan leading them to take the view their situation would only get worse, better war now than war later) and WW1 (any chance of German success required mobilising first and knocking France out before Russia had time to fully mobilise and commit to the war). Both of which were key in starting the war and weren’t really understood by the other side.

However having lived in HK and spent a fair amount of time in China, I wouldn’t underestimate the genuine strength of feeling amount ordinary Chinese people over Taiwan. Remember being in a meeting where a colleague giving a presentation used a map of China that didn’t include Taiwan. The reaction in the room felt similar to someone using a racial slur in the west, with the colleague being torn a new one by our otherwise unfailing polite hosts.

Would say there does seem a lack of will among Taiwanese to fight and die for independence. They only recently increased their military service from four months to one year. Spend only 2.6% of GDP on their military and their military focus doesn’t really seem to be on belligerently defending themselves from China. E.g. mining the living daylights out of all the bridges, tunnels, roads, factories and sea routes, filling in the beaches to make them unusable, tons of anti-ship missiles, a bunch of subs, underground bases at the bottom of mountains, every male keeping a rifle at home, massive stockpiles of kit, missiles, ammo and food, planned guérilla campaign against occupying force. Instead them seem to purchase just generic military stuff (ships, tanks, planes etc) most of which would be completely pointless were China to invade. The general vibe seems to be let the Americans do it all (to be fair given their American backing and China’s lack of development they weren’t under much threat until the last ten years or so) in contrast countries under far less threat of invasion take things far more seriously (e.g Korea, Finland, Switzerland, Singapore).

Do also think it is hard to see a conflict with Taiwan not involving the US directly, unless the US essentially ceeds Taiwan, given the balance of forces. You can argue this makes conflict less likely as China would maybe be unwilling to risk it, but does increase the chances of escalation if it does. It would also be very tempting for China to launch a first strike on US bases in the pacific (and US satellites as they come over the horizon) as the US would take a fair amount of time to get more kit over there, wouldn’t be able to launch cross strait invasion with US planes running sorties and US pretty likely to enter the war anyway.

Agree blockade perhaps more likely than full invasion, but again hard not to see it escalating. US can essentially either run the blockade, blockade some Chinese ships or do some sanctions etc. Running the blockade seems likely to escalate to war, blockading Chinese ships (e.g. in the straits) also likely to lead to war and sanctions unlikely to get China to back down (although could be costly). Would question (and think China does too) whether the American public is genuinely willing to accept the costs of defending Taiwan (thousands of casualties just in the outbreak of hostilities, massive economic disruption) and whether if it came down to it an American president would essentially fold.

Hard to see who would win in a conflict. China has benefits of being close by, more willing to absorb loses, better at marshalling whole of society, amazing manufacturing capacity. But very vulnerable as essentially island nation, massive importer of energy and raw materials, physical exports generate all their cash. US has pretty safe homeland, better kit (although it would struggle to replenish it) and network of allies.

For me the two key areas are essentially how the militaries work and which side allies and international community land on. In theory America has advantaged of established and experienced military, but generally the history of war has been new technology enables completely new strategies, military vociferously resists them, eventually one country implements them and goes around whomping everyone until they copy it. E.g. Napoleon (simple guns enable mass infantry, tons of canon which has got way better and not putting thick aristos in charge) Prussia (great long range rifles remove need for canon, push decision making to bottom of chain) WW2 (tanks and lorries mean can punch through faster than opponents can react, aircraft carriers and subs rinse battleships). In pretty much every situation their opponents had the same technologies but refused to either widely adopt it or change the way in which their militaries were organised and operated around it. You can argue that the German military being decreased to almost nothing by the treaty of Versailles and then rebuilt was the reason why they adapted and rebuilt around new technology, whilst the vested interests in the allied forces (and the intoxication of past success) prevented them doing the same.

Don’t really understand militaries but the US seems clearly stuck in a WW2 paradigm, aircraft carriers, ships and tanks which seem to be sitting ducks against a peer competitor, artillery which seems pointless if you have enough missiles, incredibly resistant to adopting drones, ridiculously long procurement cycles etc. Don’t really know enough about China’s military but their failure in Vietnam, seeing desert storm and the massive recent increase in funding would perhaps suggest they might be a bit more adaptable. They do seem to have gone for a ton of missiles and drones which suggests they are probably adapting a bit more than the US.*

The other key one is which way the allies will swing. Hard to know without the exact circumstances of the outbreak of the war, but likely Japan, Australia and Korea to be pretty committed. Does make China’s belligerence towards its neighbours a bit confusing though, given if you were planning to take Taiwan you’d think your top foreign policy objective would be pushing neighbours towards your camp and trying to limit the commitment of the ones in the US’s camp. In contrast a bunch of random islands and natural resources they are beefing with some of their neighbours over seems pretty pointless. But you could also argue that the US’s lack of commitment to Ukraine also seems pretty irrational from this perspective, as backing America to the hilt only for it to lose interest is the worst nightmare of Japan, Korea etc.

*If you asked me to guess current paradigm is everything is visible and anything can be hit with a missile. Basically you only have two categories of thing, either a sensor (planes, satellites, drones, a single or small group of soldiers, even civilians covertly working for you) or a missile (guess includes drones and artillery). A ship is essentially a disposable holder of missiles (with a tiny crew or none at all) or a very small aircraft carrier (e.g. with five planes (probably unmanned) for sensors. Everything needs to be dispersed and everything needs to be disposable. Subs are good though as seem to be the one thing that aren’t always visible and aren’t easily hit by a missile. Pack them full of missiles. Generally this paradigm would suggest the defenders have an advantage as attacking requires concentrating forces (and manoeuvring them) which makes them very vulnerable. Launching a cross strait invasion with a ton of very vulnerable transport vessels would seem very risky, given ships are so hard to hide.

Also no one seems to be using the ton of information, facial recognition and targeting abilities to really mess with the incentives of the other side. In normal life the whole of society functions through a complicated web of incentives but militaries don’t seem to be using this at all. For instance could publish the list of individual enemy soldiers to be priority targeted (e.g. loitering drones or missiles go for them first) in advance. Can imagine the impact of names being published and then half of those on the list not coming back after a few days. If they wanted to be really smart they would say this is based on how hard that individual or unit is fighting or how much initiative it is showing beyond following orders (which an algorithm could probably have a fairly good crack at using satellite and sensor data). Imagine being a squad and seeing you are scoring in the 60-90th percentile for initiative and aggressiveness, and that those in the 90-99th have had a 70% casualty rate over the last month (and knowing that to be true from previous times they have posted this information). You could even extend this to targeting families (a war crime but doesn’t mean neither side would do it). Imagine hearing that the first unit to take some objective will see half their family members killed (and knowing it to be true from seeing it happen to other units). Or mid ranking officers getting a message that either they delay sending out an order slightly or make some sort of easily explainable accident or their families will be killed. Or a worker in an armament factory. You could wreck the moral and fighting ability of a military. The only defence is to completely prevent information from the outside coming in (difficult if your enemy is creative), stopping the enemy from gathering this sort of information (seems difficult) or being able to prevent the enemy from being able to kill a decent number of specific civilians (seems hard against a peer competitor assuming you can’t stop most the missiles).

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