From Neanderthal times to our times fantasy has given comfort and allowed humans to cope with the vicissitudes of life. Threatened by a terrible virus and with a culture at war with it self, UFO's allow folks to decide that there is something more powerful and has magic powers. This ache for UFO truths will fade as the country goes back to work. As for Russian or Chinese drones, we do the same, we have pestered our friends and enemies for a long time.
Being seen and being caught are two entirely different things which the author interchanges as if they weren't. Why would beings who know humans could never catch them care whether they're 'caught' on camera. Really, why would they or should they? And having been around Naval aviation a long time, I can tell you tracking and targeting systems, radar. FLIR, MAD gear ad the like are not designed to produce high quality visuals, FA-18s are not Hollywood film equipment. They are engineered to perform the specific task at hand and only that task integrated into a flying platform which barely has the space and allowances to accommodate that. Then there's the visual take and confirmation of professionals whose job it is to scrutinize and evaluate any such entity entirely objectively. Navy and Marine aviators rely on this because the consequences of doing so, or failing to, hold life and death implications for them and their fleet. If such professionals say they saw what they saw, particularly in a scenario where multiple folks concur with one another about what was seen, you can bet your bottom dollar it's what was there. As for the defense budget angle, why have they waited 70 years to play this card? There have been several periods of much tighter DoD purse strings than exist today and no such maneuvering to hoodwink Congress into greater funding by leveraging the UAP angle has ever been made, nor am I aware of any such argument being raised now in light of this newly released information.
"Why would beings who know humans could never catch them care whether they're 'caught' on camera. Really, why would they or should they?" Several easy-to-imagine reasons, but if they do exist and don't in fact care if they are photographed, it is odd that no such craft ever has been photographed, from ground, air, or space, at a resolution that reveals structural detail. Always the putative craft flee or dodge or disappear, always the data are at the edge of resolution, out of focus, lacking detail, in the realm of interpretation -- where the human ability to find patterns in anything, dragons in the clouds and Jesus in the mayonnaise, is in its glory. As for appeal to the competence of professional analysts, I am unmoved. Pointing to misinterpreted photographs, among other pseudo-evidence, professional analysts assured us there were heaps of WMD in Iraq -- which didn't exist. Experts seeing what isn't there is not only possible but recurrent. Tease-your-eyeballs, why-can't-we-see-any-freaking-detail videos will never be sufficiently extraordinary evidence to compel belief in the extraordinary claim that an alien civilization is buzzing us.
I believe a lot of what we've seen has its roots in German anti-gravity research, as they had a different approach to physics than the west. They figured it out. Their technology was appropriated by the U.S. and Russia after the War, and the appearance of phenomena started in 1947. Remember that B-17 bombers had their electrical systems incapacitated by "foo fighters" that their crews were forbidden to talk about? They were rapidly ascending balls of bright light sent into the bomber formations. There was "die glocke", (the Bell), anti-gravity craft. Then, the Haunabu circular craft, claimed to have a speed of 3,000 mph, with 6,000 mph prototype or ready for production. Heck, now you can buy the Revell plastic model of it! There are still a lot of secrets from WWII. The "government" is supposed to release UFO files next month, per order of President Trump, but Joey would probably block it. "Weather balloon" at Roswell? Ha! I read that President Eisenhower almost had another heart attack when he saw captured "aliens" in New Mexico, and they weren't from Mexico!
"...a self-serving national security establishment working with a credulous and lazy media to manipulate public opinion for its own ends."
What an absurd and irrational statement.
The government is often accused of hiding evidence of unidentified phenomena and rumors of the existence of these kinds of videos fuels conspiracy theories. So in this instance, instead of fighting the access to information requests they said, "here, have a look". And of course, a rational analysis of these videos really shows that there really is nothing that unusual about them - just some blurry images of easily explainable optics and trigonometry.
Now that they've done that, it fuels another conspiracy theory. Aha! Evidence of wanting to boost military budgets through fear mongering. Gimme a break!
This is a great post, thanks for putting all of this in one place. One relevant point not made is that all of the experts who know the guts of the sensor systems in question are legally prohibited from discussing what they really know. If the thermometer in your bedroom says it 8 million degrees, either you've defied all known physical laws, or your thermometer is broken. But all of the thermometer experts can't just come out and say: "oh yeah, the 8 million degree thing, we've known about that for a while".
Vox I consider to be one of the most trust-worthy and reliable news sources, I decided to search up UFO and aliens, the results I got (title and quotes from the article):
- It’s time to take UFOs seriously. Seriously: "Alexander Wendt is one of the most influential political scientists alive. Here’s his case for taking UFOs seriously."
- John Podesta's top regret on leaving the White House is he didn't reveal the truth about UFOs:
- The new American religion of UFOs (extremly pro UFO article and makes xeno-archeology sound like archeology): "I was shocked to discover the level of scientific inquiry into extraterrestrial life ... I had no clue that there were actually people at top universities that were studying these things on their own, that there was a whole underground network of people doing the same work, and that there was much more to this than most people imagine."
- That was no flare 90,000 UFO sightings combined into one awesome map: "I don't believe that aliens exist, but let's say I did and they come in UFOs — and let's assume you believe in them, too. This map is one of the best data visualizations I have seen in my entire life." (okay bud you don't believe in them)
I don't see any negative articles on the subject, you don't usually see this for bonkers shit or most conspiracy theories (other then russiagate)
That these UFO releases are likely intended to justify costly DOD silliness like Space Force and such. Now that big bombers that carry nukes have become more of an airshow weapon than of any significant military use, it is worth noting that the USAF only independent mission is land-based ICBMs. Even that mission is rapidly being absorbed by more stealthy Navy submarine-launched ICBMs. Otherwise, Navy and Army already have tactically-useful air forces.
An alternative explanation for the evidence is that what we have been seeing are indeed spy drones - not necessarily foreign either. That would explain the frequent retreat and death-defying G-forces. If I wanted to avoid capture, I might send my small drone full-throttle straight for the ocean (esp if it was submarine launched in the first place) or do a quick 180 in order evade detection. Even my spouse's $800 toy drone can do that. But if one were to assume the object was a big manned aircraft, such maneuvers would be impossible - duh. My spouse's drone can fly straight up turn 90 degrees, then 180 in an eyeblink - no alien tech needed. Then there is the shopworn spoofnology that our fighter aircraft use when they have an enemy missile locked on them - shoot some reflective e-junk into the air to distract its radar (glowy things confused as UFOs by cameras).
How can anyone take this writing seriously? There's the usual lazy hand waving at 1 expert (lol) and some hokey pokey lazy attempts at incriminating the military. The so-called video expert has no pilot training and claims the tic tac object is... get this...no wait, you're not going to believe this... a BIRD. A bird that can outpace an F-18! UFO debunked guys! Don't worry it's just a new ultra-fast bird with supersonic capability! LOL Did the author even watch the video?
If you don't trust the military, then why don't you watch and actually study the mountains of crystal clear video evidence of UFOs submitted DAILY from non-military people who have nothing to gain from reporting this phenomena?
Here's the counter to the debunking video with the pilot's explanation.
Your post has no substance and no supported arguments. Why don't you try explaining in depth where Mick West has gone wrong, rather than your own actual hand waving and ad hominem distractions. Before you try, perhaps watch West in response to the video you offer:
Thank you for proving that people still trust the military industrial complex and politicians whose literal job is to use rhetoric and fake news to lull you into agreeing to war. It works like this: Western people attain morality via sublation of wars. There is the EVIL OTHER (currently China and Russia, but this is Pharmakon (Fanon) - the Other is remedy, poison, reason - flipping between the three as needed. Now, to hegemon/Biden black people are remedy and China and Russia are poison and this has ended in the deadlock of 48 Palestine) who is abstracted through propaganda (uigher genocide! putin souless!) so that we are chomping at the bit to attack our thoroughly evil and hollowed out pharmakonned enemy. That is why Asian folks have been attacked so much - just like brown arab-presenting people after 9/11. We are in that same space. The UFO story is ideal back-pocket black op bs that has been around for decades (and it speaks to our libidinal attachment as humans to the starry night that has existed for thousands upon thousands of years) that can be whipped out to distract with 'leaked' videos right when, oh, the weapons we provide Israel with are used to murder kids and journalists. We are in a hopeless stage of ideology and people want to believe in something - anything besides the fact that we are the immoral actors who work to marginalize and hollow humanity so we can maintain our symbolic reality of empire - even though we do not have capitalism (techno feudalism) and we have started and continued all the wars (currently in the form of sanctions).
I haven't proven anything, you did the mental math yourself. I don't trust the military, I am quite certain they will spin this into a pretext for space force funding. However, that doesn't mean the UFOs don't exist or the video was faked. You can't say you're science minded and come to that conclusion based on the assumption the military can't be trusted.
I'm not science minded. I aim to think across and through and around ideologies. I don't care if there are aliens. Human subjectivity is far more traversed with failure and filled with wonder than the semiotics of space/universe/aliens/demons/gods.
UFO Video: One of the World’s Best UFO Videos (Aerial Footage) – Tokyo, Japan – Unknown Date (Recorded by NHK, Japan’s State Broadcaster)
Source: TV UFO Footage.
This is one of the world’s best UFO videos, in my opinion.
The unknown object (white light) which flies slowly over Tokyo – is first seen in the upper left corner of the screen.
When the UFO is closest to the helicopter camera, one can see the body of the large elongated (or circular) UFO, and that it has large red and white pulsating lights (4 lights). The colours of the three blinking/pulsating lights varies between white and red. The largest light (white) does not pulsate.
The UFO seems to stop near the Tokyo Tower for a short while. It appears that the NHK camera operator notices the UFO, because the camera follows the UFO for a short while.
The fact that the video comes from Japan’s state broadcaster means that it is unimpeachable.
The footage comes from NHK World TV’s Aerial Tokyo channel, aired on 13 April 2022, at approximately 7:00 p.m. CET. This channel can be found in the German TV app, TV PRO.
Musk's graph could be explained as aliens probing less aggressively as our detection capabilities advance: they had their run of the skies until we invented radar in 1935 and have had to progressively dial back their activities since then. This is analogous to how the US flew less U2s after the Soviets demonstrated an ability to shoot them down.
I don't really believe that explanation. The Chinese balloon disaster confirmed that to me - we can barely detect low-tech devices if they're in a sufficiently weird part of the atmosphere - it seems unlikely we could detect presumably way higher-tech ones.
There's actually good reason to think the military *does* have a "UFO" problem -- just that the UFO's it's having a problem with are not operated by E.T. the Extraterrestrial, but by adversary states -- and pilots have been reluctant to report on encounters, because of the career-threatening stigma. Tyler Rogoway at The Drive had a fairly compelling look at this last month: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos
This may not answer what Commander Fravor and friends ran into in 2004, but if all Marco Rubio's rider accomplishes is to force the DoD to start taking adversary drones seriously, it will have been worth it.
Been saying! Just because we don't know what these 'sightings' are, it doesn't mean they have to be ETs.... Of course, they could be down here replenishing their stock of Reese's Pieces... Seriously... When you've seen a photo of the illusion of a massive Cruise Ship floating 30 feet above the ocean, then you really have to doubt silly bad photos of 'things' zipping around.
This is another one of these crises that is a pretext for Agenda 2030 - The global plan for a one-world government. You have climate change - which requires global cooperation to solve; then Covid, which requires global cooperation to solve; now you have Alien invasions also which requires global cooperation to solve. What's next?
From Neanderthal times to our times fantasy has given comfort and allowed humans to cope with the vicissitudes of life. Threatened by a terrible virus and with a culture at war with it self, UFO's allow folks to decide that there is something more powerful and has magic powers. This ache for UFO truths will fade as the country goes back to work. As for Russian or Chinese drones, we do the same, we have pestered our friends and enemies for a long time.
"Vicissitudes?" That's a big SAT word for a UFO-flunkie site!
Being seen and being caught are two entirely different things which the author interchanges as if they weren't. Why would beings who know humans could never catch them care whether they're 'caught' on camera. Really, why would they or should they? And having been around Naval aviation a long time, I can tell you tracking and targeting systems, radar. FLIR, MAD gear ad the like are not designed to produce high quality visuals, FA-18s are not Hollywood film equipment. They are engineered to perform the specific task at hand and only that task integrated into a flying platform which barely has the space and allowances to accommodate that. Then there's the visual take and confirmation of professionals whose job it is to scrutinize and evaluate any such entity entirely objectively. Navy and Marine aviators rely on this because the consequences of doing so, or failing to, hold life and death implications for them and their fleet. If such professionals say they saw what they saw, particularly in a scenario where multiple folks concur with one another about what was seen, you can bet your bottom dollar it's what was there. As for the defense budget angle, why have they waited 70 years to play this card? There have been several periods of much tighter DoD purse strings than exist today and no such maneuvering to hoodwink Congress into greater funding by leveraging the UAP angle has ever been made, nor am I aware of any such argument being raised now in light of this newly released information.
"Why would beings who know humans could never catch them care whether they're 'caught' on camera. Really, why would they or should they?" Several easy-to-imagine reasons, but if they do exist and don't in fact care if they are photographed, it is odd that no such craft ever has been photographed, from ground, air, or space, at a resolution that reveals structural detail. Always the putative craft flee or dodge or disappear, always the data are at the edge of resolution, out of focus, lacking detail, in the realm of interpretation -- where the human ability to find patterns in anything, dragons in the clouds and Jesus in the mayonnaise, is in its glory. As for appeal to the competence of professional analysts, I am unmoved. Pointing to misinterpreted photographs, among other pseudo-evidence, professional analysts assured us there were heaps of WMD in Iraq -- which didn't exist. Experts seeing what isn't there is not only possible but recurrent. Tease-your-eyeballs, why-can't-we-see-any-freaking-detail videos will never be sufficiently extraordinary evidence to compel belief in the extraordinary claim that an alien civilization is buzzing us.
still... ZERO evidence.
I believe a lot of what we've seen has its roots in German anti-gravity research, as they had a different approach to physics than the west. They figured it out. Their technology was appropriated by the U.S. and Russia after the War, and the appearance of phenomena started in 1947. Remember that B-17 bombers had their electrical systems incapacitated by "foo fighters" that their crews were forbidden to talk about? They were rapidly ascending balls of bright light sent into the bomber formations. There was "die glocke", (the Bell), anti-gravity craft. Then, the Haunabu circular craft, claimed to have a speed of 3,000 mph, with 6,000 mph prototype or ready for production. Heck, now you can buy the Revell plastic model of it! There are still a lot of secrets from WWII. The "government" is supposed to release UFO files next month, per order of President Trump, but Joey would probably block it. "Weather balloon" at Roswell? Ha! I read that President Eisenhower almost had another heart attack when he saw captured "aliens" in New Mexico, and they weren't from Mexico!
"...a self-serving national security establishment working with a credulous and lazy media to manipulate public opinion for its own ends."
What an absurd and irrational statement.
The government is often accused of hiding evidence of unidentified phenomena and rumors of the existence of these kinds of videos fuels conspiracy theories. So in this instance, instead of fighting the access to information requests they said, "here, have a look". And of course, a rational analysis of these videos really shows that there really is nothing that unusual about them - just some blurry images of easily explainable optics and trigonometry.
Now that they've done that, it fuels another conspiracy theory. Aha! Evidence of wanting to boost military budgets through fear mongering. Gimme a break!
This is a great post, thanks for putting all of this in one place. One relevant point not made is that all of the experts who know the guts of the sensor systems in question are legally prohibited from discussing what they really know. If the thermometer in your bedroom says it 8 million degrees, either you've defied all known physical laws, or your thermometer is broken. But all of the thermometer experts can't just come out and say: "oh yeah, the 8 million degree thing, we've known about that for a while".
Vox I consider to be one of the most trust-worthy and reliable news sources, I decided to search up UFO and aliens, the results I got (title and quotes from the article):
- It’s time to take UFOs seriously. Seriously: "Alexander Wendt is one of the most influential political scientists alive. Here’s his case for taking UFOs seriously."
- John Podesta's top regret on leaving the White House is he didn't reveal the truth about UFOs:
- The new American religion of UFOs (extremly pro UFO article and makes xeno-archeology sound like archeology): "I was shocked to discover the level of scientific inquiry into extraterrestrial life ... I had no clue that there were actually people at top universities that were studying these things on their own, that there was a whole underground network of people doing the same work, and that there was much more to this than most people imagine."
- That was no flare 90,000 UFO sightings combined into one awesome map: "I don't believe that aliens exist, but let's say I did and they come in UFOs — and let's assume you believe in them, too. This map is one of the best data visualizations I have seen in my entire life." (okay bud you don't believe in them)
I don't see any negative articles on the subject, you don't usually see this for bonkers shit or most conspiracy theories (other then russiagate)
Your first mistake was thinking Vox is a worthwhile news source.
That these UFO releases are likely intended to justify costly DOD silliness like Space Force and such. Now that big bombers that carry nukes have become more of an airshow weapon than of any significant military use, it is worth noting that the USAF only independent mission is land-based ICBMs. Even that mission is rapidly being absorbed by more stealthy Navy submarine-launched ICBMs. Otherwise, Navy and Army already have tactically-useful air forces.
An alternative explanation for the evidence is that what we have been seeing are indeed spy drones - not necessarily foreign either. That would explain the frequent retreat and death-defying G-forces. If I wanted to avoid capture, I might send my small drone full-throttle straight for the ocean (esp if it was submarine launched in the first place) or do a quick 180 in order evade detection. Even my spouse's $800 toy drone can do that. But if one were to assume the object was a big manned aircraft, such maneuvers would be impossible - duh. My spouse's drone can fly straight up turn 90 degrees, then 180 in an eyeblink - no alien tech needed. Then there is the shopworn spoofnology that our fighter aircraft use when they have an enemy missile locked on them - shoot some reflective e-junk into the air to distract its radar (glowy things confused as UFOs by cameras).
How can anyone take this writing seriously? There's the usual lazy hand waving at 1 expert (lol) and some hokey pokey lazy attempts at incriminating the military. The so-called video expert has no pilot training and claims the tic tac object is... get this...no wait, you're not going to believe this... a BIRD. A bird that can outpace an F-18! UFO debunked guys! Don't worry it's just a new ultra-fast bird with supersonic capability! LOL Did the author even watch the video?
If you don't trust the military, then why don't you watch and actually study the mountains of crystal clear video evidence of UFOs submitted DAILY from non-military people who have nothing to gain from reporting this phenomena?
Here's the counter to the debunking video with the pilot's explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBt4CNHyAck&ab_channel=LexClips
There are NO UFOs.... It's all AVIONICS display glitches running on top of MicroSuck Windows XP!
Your post has no substance and no supported arguments. Why don't you try explaining in depth where Mick West has gone wrong, rather than your own actual hand waving and ad hominem distractions. Before you try, perhaps watch West in response to the video you offer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT1uRf5_dF4
Thank you for proving that people still trust the military industrial complex and politicians whose literal job is to use rhetoric and fake news to lull you into agreeing to war. It works like this: Western people attain morality via sublation of wars. There is the EVIL OTHER (currently China and Russia, but this is Pharmakon (Fanon) - the Other is remedy, poison, reason - flipping between the three as needed. Now, to hegemon/Biden black people are remedy and China and Russia are poison and this has ended in the deadlock of 48 Palestine) who is abstracted through propaganda (uigher genocide! putin souless!) so that we are chomping at the bit to attack our thoroughly evil and hollowed out pharmakonned enemy. That is why Asian folks have been attacked so much - just like brown arab-presenting people after 9/11. We are in that same space. The UFO story is ideal back-pocket black op bs that has been around for decades (and it speaks to our libidinal attachment as humans to the starry night that has existed for thousands upon thousands of years) that can be whipped out to distract with 'leaked' videos right when, oh, the weapons we provide Israel with are used to murder kids and journalists. We are in a hopeless stage of ideology and people want to believe in something - anything besides the fact that we are the immoral actors who work to marginalize and hollow humanity so we can maintain our symbolic reality of empire - even though we do not have capitalism (techno feudalism) and we have started and continued all the wars (currently in the form of sanctions).
I haven't proven anything, you did the mental math yourself. I don't trust the military, I am quite certain they will spin this into a pretext for space force funding. However, that doesn't mean the UFOs don't exist or the video was faked. You can't say you're science minded and come to that conclusion based on the assumption the military can't be trusted.
I'm not science minded. I aim to think across and through and around ideologies. I don't care if there are aliens. Human subjectivity is far more traversed with failure and filled with wonder than the semiotics of space/universe/aliens/demons/gods.
Of course, UFOs are real!
UFO Video: One of the World’s Best UFO Videos (Aerial Footage) – Tokyo, Japan – Unknown Date (Recorded by NHK, Japan’s State Broadcaster)
Source: TV UFO Footage.
This is one of the world’s best UFO videos, in my opinion.
The unknown object (white light) which flies slowly over Tokyo – is first seen in the upper left corner of the screen.
When the UFO is closest to the helicopter camera, one can see the body of the large elongated (or circular) UFO, and that it has large red and white pulsating lights (4 lights). The colours of the three blinking/pulsating lights varies between white and red. The largest light (white) does not pulsate.
The UFO seems to stop near the Tokyo Tower for a short while. It appears that the NHK camera operator notices the UFO, because the camera follows the UFO for a short while.
The fact that the video comes from Japan’s state broadcaster means that it is unimpeachable.
The footage comes from NHK World TV’s Aerial Tokyo channel, aired on 13 April 2022, at approximately 7:00 p.m. CET. This channel can be found in the German TV app, TV PRO.
Original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAzNygeNOlY
Zoomed video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBVkgxy5yqU
Musk's graph could be explained as aliens probing less aggressively as our detection capabilities advance: they had their run of the skies until we invented radar in 1935 and have had to progressively dial back their activities since then. This is analogous to how the US flew less U2s after the Soviets demonstrated an ability to shoot them down.
I don't really believe that explanation. The Chinese balloon disaster confirmed that to me - we can barely detect low-tech devices if they're in a sufficiently weird part of the atmosphere - it seems unlikely we could detect presumably way higher-tech ones.
It's all pigs. Pigs in space. Pigs coming too earth. They will take over, once all the dolphins have left.
There's actually good reason to think the military *does* have a "UFO" problem -- just that the UFO's it's having a problem with are not operated by E.T. the Extraterrestrial, but by adversary states -- and pilots have been reluctant to report on encounters, because of the career-threatening stigma. Tyler Rogoway at The Drive had a fairly compelling look at this last month: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos
This may not answer what Commander Fravor and friends ran into in 2004, but if all Marco Rubio's rider accomplishes is to force the DoD to start taking adversary drones seriously, it will have been worth it.
Been saying! Just because we don't know what these 'sightings' are, it doesn't mean they have to be ETs.... Of course, they could be down here replenishing their stock of Reese's Pieces... Seriously... When you've seen a photo of the illusion of a massive Cruise Ship floating 30 feet above the ocean, then you really have to doubt silly bad photos of 'things' zipping around.
This is another one of these crises that is a pretext for Agenda 2030 - The global plan for a one-world government. You have climate change - which requires global cooperation to solve; then Covid, which requires global cooperation to solve; now you have Alien invasions also which requires global cooperation to solve. What's next?
"think the “Russian bounty” story meant to keep the US in Afghanistan"
Speculation on your part. The existence of these bounties is still debated.
Yes. It is debated by those who think they are free of ideology.
I've begun to take UFO claims more seriously once Robin Hanson at overcoming bias began to take it more seriously
I'll take this as sarcasm.
Why?