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Agreed. I have spent a large part of my time in the last years in Saudi Arabia. Noticing that even there, the "hearts and minds" of the young were with liberalism, wealth and freedom put the nail in the coffin of social conservatism for me. If a popular absolute monarchy with sharia law in the heart of Islam cannot pull it off, who can? I think really the only way might be to go full Taliban, luring a backwards population into a state of paranoia and economic misery.

Also, the Middle East is full of prostitution, gambling, gay Filipino tea boys that provide a variety of services, etc. The Saudi youth goes to Bahrain to sniff coke, gamble and fuck Moroccan escorts. I think the actual bulwark against the acceptance of visiting prostitutes is feminism. In Northern Europe it's considered very low-class, women would condemn you and you would feel obliged to be honest and open to your future wife. In the Middle East your buddies applaud you, and you don't really concern yourself with the opinions of women, nor be honest to them.

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On the one hand, Richard makes some valid points. Social conservative politics as presently constituted have failed, and I say this as a Christian and social conservative, who still thinks abortion is evil. The unmodified political ideas of yesteryear won’t work any longer.

Social liberalism is more compelling to people everywhere. There was a technological shock to the system, and where social conservatism hasn’t yet been destroyed by it, it’s on life support and on the way out.

Of course, the seeds of social liberalism’s failure are also seen in its fruit: the collapse of the family and of fertility. Note that this is happening nearly everywhere, even in more conservative societies, because key sectors of the population (at minimum, young women) have been won over to it (Korea as Exhibit A).

At some point, it’s a mathematical certainty that fertility will return, and it may involve more heavy-handed means of promoting the family and suppressing libertinism than what the West is currently comfortable with. But it won’t look like the old, failed methods of doing so, and it will have much more elite support than social conservatism has today. It also may or may not be Christian in character.

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