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no brain's avatar

It seems like your fusion of liberal exceptionalism and elite human capital hierarchy creates dynamic where in many cases, you always have a story for how any outcome validates your worldview. For example, when China succeeds, you say it was their human capital, proving your perspective right. When China fails, it was their authoritarian anti-market system, proving your support of liberal economics & democracy correct. These explanations might be right. But when you shifted away from the right, you cited real world events like China’s covid policies as a major factor. You emphasised that you update your views when events call them into question. Can you think of a comparable case that could validate/disprove your views today? An outcome that your ideological opponents would find plausible/likely, but your perspective would definitively rule out.

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This stuff is so out there. Literally every complex, capital-intensive physical industry in the history of the human race has been developed with extensive state support. Quick- name 1 time in the history of the civilization that a country has developed a shipbuilding sector without the state paying for & insuring the capital buildout? 6000 years of human history, pick any country, on any continent, ever. It's..... it's literally never happened. 100% of all shipbuilding industries in human history have been initially government financed.

Name 1 aviation sector any country has ever developed without state support. Anywhere. Literally doesn't exist. For an example of successful industrial policy, you could read up on the early history of Boeing- or, the postwar history of Airbus. Completely government financed from the jump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Airbus

Name 1 time a country has developed a semiconductor industry without state financial backing. Again, has literally never happened ever- the amount of capital needed to get started is too tremendously large. "In 1986, Li Kwoh-ting, representing the Executive Yuan, invited Morris Chang to serve as the president of the Industrial Technology Research Institute (ITRI) and offered him a blank check to build Taiwan's chip industry. At that time, the Taiwanese government wanted to develop its semiconductor industry, but its high investment and high risk nature made it difficult to find investors" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC#History

There are so, so many more examples (the whole defense industry! The whole space industry! Most electronics manufacturing! Most automotive manufacturing!) Believing that super capital-intensive, physical manufacturing industries exist without initial government financing is as delusional as anything the far left or far right believes. Just completely out of touch with objective reality

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